I can just imagine what all the other hunters thought when Sam called them all and then they called John and didn't get an answer. Pissed ain't the word.
More fall-outs and people threatening to shoot him on sight? *g*
Except that that would just be bad storytelling on the writers' parts. If you later want to tell me that someone was somewhere where I, the viewer, did not see him, you'd better do it just a couple of episodes on, before I forget that I didn't see him where I didn't see him. If you want me, the viewer, to know that he was there, but you don't want the characters to know, then show him to me, okay? Simple storytelling.
I think it would have been okay to not show him in any way like they did here but a proper follow-up was definitely required. Best done as an acknowledgment by John upon their next personal encounter. *cough* The worst that could be done would be a follow-up that had John when prodded be all nonchalant about it: "Oh yeah, that. Nearly forgot about it. Wasn`t about the demon, was it?" *cough*
It could have certainly added another interesting twist if John, as suggested in some fanfics, had been the done to tip Sam off about Roy, via Joshua. With full knowledge about the situation. I could see that happening.
And if I were a loving, deeply scarred, slightly not-sane father, I don't know that I could watch my kid die of something I couldn't kill, either. Especially if I was used to killing things to begin with.
Thing is, while understandable it is also selfish. Putting your own fears before being there for your dying child and cowardly letting the other child handle the tough stuff. It would be hard to look them in the eye again later on.
I think in terms of John`s character his absence in the episode it kinda up in the air. Not fully condemning yet but in retrospect all will depend on how it is followed up. Yet all in all it is another fitting chapter on the emotional roller-coaster ride that is John Winchester. Seriously as deeply complex as the boys are they got nothing on their old man. :)
It could have certainly added another interesting twist if John, as suggested in some fanfics, had been the done to tip Sam off about Roy, via Joshua. With full knowledge about the situation. I could see that happening.
Oh, absolutely. I mean, John is a lot of things, and cunning, devious, and slightly cold regarding Dean's welfare are certainly three of them. I think, if he knew about the Reaper, he could totally have offered Roy's name up to Joshua, knowing what that might mean for Dean and knowing that Dean would take care of the problem.
Which, you know, makes him a cold bastard, but not at all out of character. *sigh*
Thing is, while understandable it is also selfish. Putting your own fears before being there for your dying child and cowardly letting the other child handle the tough stuff. It would be hard to look them in the eye again later on.
I think John's screwed up enough that he'd rationalize it all to hell and be able to look Sam in the eye easily. He's really just that fucked up. And even if Possibility One is the truth, I never said he was selfless, just that he's not the antichrist of daddies. *g*
I think John's screwed up enough that he'd rationalize it all to hell and be able to look Sam in the eye easily. He's really just that fucked up.
Yeah, I can see that. I swear the man gives me whiplash sometimes from shaking my head. :)
I never said he was selfless, just that he's not the antichrist of daddies. *g*
Well, I never believed that. I mean, even the show itself gave us a negative example in the Dad in Nighmare with a big honkin "Look, it CAN get worse" sign. Even before I knew that it could have been so much worse. For all their screwed-upness Dean or Sam neither struck me as victims of physical or sexual abuse. They`d be worlds different.
More fall-outs and people threatening to shoot him on sight? *g*
Except that that would just be bad storytelling on the writers' parts. If you later want to tell me that someone was somewhere where I, the viewer, did not see him, you'd better do it just a couple of episodes on, before I forget that I didn't see him where I didn't see him. If you want me, the viewer, to know that he was there, but you don't want the characters to know, then show him to me, okay? Simple storytelling.
I think it would have been okay to not show him in any way like they did here but a proper follow-up was definitely required. Best done as an acknowledgment by John upon their next personal encounter. *cough* The worst that could be done would be a follow-up that had John when prodded be all nonchalant about it: "Oh yeah, that. Nearly forgot about it. Wasn`t about the demon, was it?" *cough*
It could have certainly added another interesting twist if John, as suggested in some fanfics, had been the done to tip Sam off about Roy, via Joshua. With full knowledge about the situation. I could see that happening.
And if I were a loving, deeply scarred, slightly not-sane father, I don't know that I could watch my kid die of something I couldn't kill, either. Especially if I was used to killing things to begin with.
Thing is, while understandable it is also selfish. Putting your own fears before being there for your dying child and cowardly letting the other child handle the tough stuff. It would be hard to look them in the eye again later on.
I think in terms of John`s character his absence in the episode it kinda up in the air. Not fully condemning yet but in retrospect all will depend on how it is followed up. Yet all in all it is another fitting chapter on the emotional roller-coaster ride that is John Winchester. Seriously as deeply complex as the boys are they got nothing on their old man. :)
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Oh, absolutely. I mean, John is a lot of things, and cunning, devious, and slightly cold regarding Dean's welfare are certainly three of them. I think, if he knew about the Reaper, he could totally have offered Roy's name up to Joshua, knowing what that might mean for Dean and knowing that Dean would take care of the problem.
Which, you know, makes him a cold bastard, but not at all out of character. *sigh*
Thing is, while understandable it is also selfish. Putting your own fears before being there for your dying child and cowardly letting the other child handle the tough stuff. It would be hard to look them in the eye again later on.
I think John's screwed up enough that he'd rationalize it all to hell and be able to look Sam in the eye easily. He's really just that fucked up. And even if Possibility One is the truth, I never said he was selfless, just that he's not the antichrist of daddies. *g*
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Yeah, I can see that. I swear the man gives me whiplash sometimes from shaking my head. :)
I never said he was selfless, just that he's not the antichrist of daddies. *g*
Well, I never believed that. I mean, even the show itself gave us a negative example in the Dad in Nighmare with a big honkin "Look, it CAN get worse" sign. Even before I knew that it could have been so much worse. For all their screwed-upness Dean or Sam neither struck me as victims of physical or sexual abuse. They`d be worlds different.
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