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[splash_the_cat]

Linkspam on the fail surrounding Patricia Wrede's "Thirteenth Child", an alternate fantasy pioneer history of the Americas where Native peoples never existed. From the Tor review, "This is an alternate version of our world which is full of magic, and where America (“Columbia”) was discovered empty of people but full of dangerous animals, many of

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[splash_the_cat]

I don't know that there's a way that I could adequately express a woman to a woman such that she was completely satisfied in the portrayal. And certainly not on a first outing.

That's a weaseley derail. Women are not a monolith. You will never completely satisfy all women, or even all women SF fans, in your portrayal of one or two women. Writing ANYTHING is always a risk. Not just women. Not just people of color.

But this kind of attitude makes me ten thousand times more apprehensive about doing so, and seems like the direct opposite of what folks like [info]zvi_likes_tv, Tobias Buckell, and Nalo Hopkinson have been saying.

They are not the sole representatives of color these discussions, and there were a lot of people (women and POC) during RaceFail who made it very clear that they approach the genre much the same way I do.

Your above comment is a politer and less threatening version of David Levine's post back during RaceFail, about how readers calling writers out on racism makes writers want to avoid writing race altogether, and is that what we really want? And I'm calling bullshit on it, too. So would writers rather that readers not be honest about these issues? Would they rather those readers just stop reading their books, or abandon the genre entirely? Quietly vanish? Because what other options are left? A lifetime of playing Charlie Brown to Lucy and her football?

Because that what this says to me: "But this kind of attitude makes me ten thousand times more apprehensive about doing so". That says speaking out honestly about the way I interact with the genre and the issues I have with the genre makes it harder for you as a male writer. It says that the problem is with me.

And I know that's not your intent. I do give you the benefit of the doubt, as you are my friend and I have a lot of respect for you. But if I didn't know you and read that comment? "What a jackass," would be the nicest of the things going through my head right now, and you'd have already lost me as a reader before you even started.

[daveamongus]

And I know that's not your intent. I do give you the benefit of the doubt, as you are my friend and I have a lot of respect for you. But if I didn't know you and read that comment? "What a jackass," would be the nicest of the things going through my head right now, and you'd have already lost me as a reader before you even started.

The point was that the comment was directed at you, and only you, through the filter of our friendship. Not a general defense of assholes like Levine, but a specific cry of of fear and apprehension as a friend seemed to be ready to shut me out and leave me to fend for myself in the wild should I displease her. I wouldn't make that comment in a conversation with anyone but a friend; when you invoked one of my personal labels (male SF writer), you took it to a personal level for me, and I responded from personal feelings.

[skywardprodigal]

Right this second, you're my favoritist woman in the whole world.

How would you like your internets?

[splash_the_cat]

May I have them à la mode, please? :)

[skywardprodigal]

Dulce-de-leche ice cream on 3-kind apple pie work for you?

[splash_the_cat]

That works fabulously. Yum.