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May 18, 2006 18:04


So, while waiting for 7:00 to role around, I decided to take an interest in just how Hitler seized absolute power in Nazi Germany. For those of you unfamiliar with the specifics, the turning point was the Reichstag Fire Decree. See, someone set parliament's meeting place, the Reichstag, on fire. The German government decided the communists were ( Read more... )

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Re: question spiffturk May 19 2006, 19:23:05 UTC
My point is to say that every country that ever manages some similarities to Germany during the 1930's and 40's is not going to end up being a fascist regime who becomes famous for trying to take over the world and annihilate entire ethnic groups.

But at what point during the process do you step back and say, "Hey, wait a second... this doesn't seem right"?

Also:

1) I didn't suggest Echelon came out under Bush. I was well aware that it was around long before the most recent political shit storm. Though I suspect that it has since been replaced with something even more effective. It seems unlikely that the NSA/CIA would just say, "This stuff is getting kinda old. I guess we're done."

2) I don't recall using the phrase "neo-Hitler". I don't think Bush is Hitler-like. He doesn't seem to have the same dictatorial aspirations. The point in my original post was not decrying our current administration as fascist psuedo-nazis. I was pointing out the similarities in how a country's citizens will let their government bend them over while whispering sweet nothings in their ear.

And as for McCarthyism, I will admit I don't know much in the way of specifics. However, I still disagree with witch hunts, domestic spying, and creative interpretations of how to treat suspects and prisoners.

You do realize that you won't change my opinions and I won't change yours, right?

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Will

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Re: question den_mother May 19 2006, 19:40:18 UTC
Where is the complacency you seem to be perceiving? Has the press shut up EVER about this? Are people blowing kisses to the president and Congress right now? Cause that's not what I'm seeing.

Two thirds of people don't care about the collecting of phone call data because they know that
1) it's highly to very unlikely that anything they have ever said on the phone was heard by an uninvited third party, and
2) they understand that listening in to phone calls where there is just cause is beneficial to keeping us safe.

I realize that I'm not going to change your mind. But I do think that making connections between our country as it is and Hitler's Germany is completely illogical. I'm tired of a few people whining very loudly about something that is never going to hurt them. Frankly, I could care less if there are a few people who are pissed off that the government can find out who they call and how often, or that the government might listen to their phone calls if they are talking on the phone to a terrorist suspect. I would rather those people be uncomfortable than have some building in Atlanta blow up while I'm up there for a visit because the government was more concerned about the feelings of an overly suspicious minority than doing their jobs and keeping us safe.

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