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[spicetrader]

Abortion?:until the umbilical cord is cut, its a parasite. Death Penalty?:this needs to stop now. it costs taxpayers more than life in prison...and its irreversible Prostitution?:in some parts of the world, this is a prestigious and respected profession... Alcohol?:evil evil evil....but to each thier own. Marijuana?:talk to your doctor today!

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[mrnastey]

we disagree absolutely on:
suicide
Bush
iraq
religion
abortion and the death penalty..and in all other things, we are virtually identical.

[spicetrader]

you don't believe that everyone has the right to choose death? i'm in shock. also, i refuse to believe you see no alternative to the death penalty. there's no way to make things right when the system fails and puts an innocent to death. i'd have to accuse you of not thinking at all if you think your life is better or safer since gwb stole the white house, or since he stole iraq. about religion...its impossible to overlook the fact that religious groups and religious zealots have been responsible for killing how many millions?

i thought you were paying closer attention than that.

[mrnastey]

It has been proven, over hundreds and thousands of years that the best way to find the truth is in an adversarial system.

[spicetrader]

The flaw with this line of thinking is that it does not account for the maneuvering and manipulation that goes on in the coutroom. Once a case is in trial, truth becomes secondary to winning the case. Mostly, the problem created by this is that criminals go free.

Your line of thinking is also the same mentality that causes two men to fight over some issue. Winning a fistfight doesn't make one right, and it certainly does nothing to shed light on the truth. In fact, I'd have to say that good investigation, good record keeping, and interviewing the widest range of people possible are the best ways to find truth.

[mrnastey]

In one way you're right, and that is the accepted fact. And in fact, it is the reason you should be in favor of the adversarial system. More often than the opposite, the guilty go free, and very seldom do the innocent get incarcerated or killed. The system is tilted to favor the defense, on purpose. The problem is that the system is run by humans, and we are, by our very nature biased and fallible. Generally, I agree with you, but I believe that the best way to create a good record, interview as many people in the widest possible range and seeking the truth is through the adversarial justice system. It's not perfect, but it's the best in the history of the world

[mrnastey]

Everyone has a right to commit suicide, I think anyone that would is an immoral moron, but they certainly have the right and I wouldn't make it illegal. I'd just desecrate their corpse and publish long diatribes about what a terrible person they were, and how any good that they accomplished was shat upon by their selfish immoral end. :) (somewhat tongue in cheek -- let's face it, even a hardended callous evil man such as me can understand how pain and suffering could push someone to it....still...I think it is cowardly even when it's understandable)

[spicetrader]

Sorry to be such an adversary....but thats the current system.

I'm wondering if you lost someone to suicide?

Who are you to pass moral judgement? I think that its immoral to do so. Oh no, now I've done it too.

[mrnastey]

My life IS better and safer since GWB won the white house and ousted Sadam.

[spicetrader]

I see that you think your life is better and safer, but take a closer look.

Violence has not ended in any region that GWB has sought to (control, liberate, or whatever term you wish to apply).

Terrorism has not even slowed down.

Risk of attack is unchanged.

[mrnastey]

By the way, don't mistake me for a member of either party. I am closest to libertarian, but even that doesn't suit me well. By my estimation, GWB is significantly more liberal than Clinton, and if there were a viable candidate that would actually get rid of social programs and be more agressive in opposition to the UN, and in the destruction of terrorist and rogue states, i'd vote for them.

[spicetrader]

Dood. This is fear based thinking. They've got you brainwashed!

Also, would those terrorist and rogue states have to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt to be involved in terrorist activities, or would voodoo intelligence be used to manipulate our nation into seeing a connection between an attack that is unrelated to a country? I'm not sure this reference is clear, so let me spell it out. Your government lied to you about a connection between terrorist attacks in this country and Iraq, and you bought it. You're still buying it. Even after that so-called truth has come out. Why?

[mrnastey]

I'm not in the least scared.

And I don't think my government ever made the connection to terrorists or tried to, though there is clearly SOME connection, it, in and of itself isn't terribly relevant.

I think going into Iraq was necessary regardless of terrorist connection.

[spicetrader]

wait. necessary? what do you suppose would have happened if we didn't go into Iraq?