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[sowa]

Щвейцария арестовала 76-летнего Романа Поланского для выдачи США за возможно имевшее место 32 года назад преступление, предполагаемая жертва которого не имеет претензий к Поланскому. Но прокуратура имеет, и с 2005-го года активно добивается выдачи Поланского какой-нибудь страной

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[starshoj]

А ордер на арест за изнасилование или за пoбег?

[sowa]

Что ордер на арест? Он есть, да. Существование документа не делает написанное в этом документе моральным.

[starshoj]

Я не сомневаюсь, что ордер есть, я спрашиваю за что, т.к., если я ещё могу понять причины несогласияс ним, если он за изнасилование, то не вижы никакого резона протстовать, если он за побег.

[sowa]

Не видите - не протестуйте.

Побег от нечестного судьи - оправданное действие. Наказывать за побег (от любого судьи) через 31 год - аморально.

[starshoj]

нечестного?

[sowa]

Ну да. "Judge reneged on the plea bargain agreement" - куда ни ткнешь, везде эта фраза.

[starshoj]

Judge could not reneg on the plea bargain agreement - he was not a party to it. His job is accept or not accept an agreement made by the DA and accused. We don't know whether he would or would not. Somebody gave P. an idea that he would not and he ran.

[sowa]

You see, I am quoting about a lot of news media. Google search on "Judge reneged plea bargain agreement Polanski". You claim that they all say nonsense. Maybe, but the burden of proof is on you.

Not somebody, but the judge himself.

[starshoj]

http://www.expertlaw.com/library/criminal/plea_bargains.html

[sowa]

So what?

[starshoj]

"A "plea bargain" is a deal offered by a PROSECUTOR as an incentive for a defendant to plead guilty"

[sowa]

Вы как-то уж очень немногословны. Я опять не понял, к чему это? Вы хотели меня просветить на эту тему? Я давно в курсе.

Judges are not involved in plea bargaining

[starshoj]

Plea bargaining generally occurs on the telephone or in the prosecutor's office at the courtroom. Judges are not involved except in very rare circumstances. Plea bargains that are accepted by the judge are then placed "on the record" in open court. The defendant must be present.

http://criminal.findlaw.com/crimes/criminal_stages/stages-plea-bargains/plea-bargain-areas-of-negotiation.html

Re: Judges are not involved in plea bargaining

[sowa]

Sir!

If you have some point to make, please do. I don't need such a crash course in the US judicial procedure. Specifically, if you intended to refute numerous press accounts (I don't see any other possible purpose you remarks may serve) of THIS particular case, please do so. But do it carefully: explain what is wrong in the press accounts, why the press consistently presents this wrong account, etc.

Re: Judges are not involved in plea bargaining

[starshoj]

M.b. because they misinterpret the phrase 'Judge did no t honor the plea bargain" in a sence that he did not honor his word, while in the legalese it mean did not approved.

"I intended that he at least serve a full 90 days in state prison," Superior Court Judge Laurence Rittenband said in an AP story from the time.

Rittenband also called the prison psychiatric report on Polanski "a complete whitewash" and told reporters he believed it didn't adequately explore Polanski's reasons for committing the sex offense.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5j-HDjlvolVL0Eqs83U2OnQEWKbVAD9B1VMTG0

Re: Judges are not involved in plea bargaining

[sowa]

Aren't judges supposed to honor their words (on the matter of cases in front of them)?

Even your reference and your quote show the misconduct of the judge (his misconduct seems to be not contestable, all reports agree with this). He sent Polanski for a psychiatric evaluation, so he ought to accept the results of the evaluation, whatever they are. No matter what he personally thinks of them (I believe that he just looked into what will be a better publicity for him). Already this qualifies for "reneged".