Discussing Thick as Thieves (Spoilers)

May 23, 2017 20:20

So, Checkers and I felt we were getting a tad disorganized with our discussions of TaT and overwhelming ourselves, so here's a little order in the chaos. Below are all current Sounis spoiler-y threads for discussing TaT. I will add new ones as we go along. Feel free to start your own thread. Just remember to hide spoilers under an LJ-cut with a ( Read more... )

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spoilers...but thoughts? anonymous May 26 2017, 03:15:27 UTC
1. I can't find my login info...so I am posting as anonymous
2. I have NO idea how to create a "cut" - so I am posting in a comment section...
3. I just finished reading TaT - wow!

Now...on to business:

I have read many of the comments on the book so far, but have not seen anyone mention the following items - and I'd like your opinions and thoughts, please!!!!

1. Irene's child was a girl (not a boy, as supposed by the general Attolian population). I base this on the map on the covers of the book: "This map of Eddis, Attolia, and Sounis was prepared for Her Highness Gitta Kingsdaughter by her tutor Tykus Namikus for her reference while reading the books of Queen's Thief" AND the words of the queen after hearing Kamet's poem: "It was not her time." (p.320)

2. Question: Who is Gen's newest attendant - the "Erondites" on p. 316 that is giving his tutor such a hard time? Remember in KoA that Gen points out to Sejanus that if his father chooses an heir that is NOT is own offspring he will have to have the approval of the King? So, is this the "new" Erondites? Is it Dite? (I find that hard to believe, as Dite is exiled, should be in Ferria, and seems to be too old for a tutor...) Did I miss something else entirely?

3. The map included in the book, but not attached to the covers was created by Kamet (according to the note at the top), but was addressed to a "P" and found in the Royal Archives. Who is this "P" person????

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Re: spoilers...but thoughts? ninedaysaqueen May 26 2017, 04:51:21 UTC
An Lj-cut is very easy to do. Just follow the instructions I linked to above. In rich text, all you have to do is highlight the text you want to cut and click the sissors icon on the toolbar, but using the comments section is also fine! :D

(1) We covered the baby HERE and HERE. Definitely a girl, but I'm not entirely convinced Gitta Kingsdaughter is Gen's and Irene's daughter. We shall see...

(2) Covered HERE and also HERE. I beleive this is a new character and is either a very young teenager or a child. Philo was the king's youngest attendant previously, and this new heir appears even younger. He could be a cousin or a illegitimate half-brother of Sajanus and Dite or not related to them at all.

(3) Also, covered in the above links. I'm certain "P" and the young Eurondite are one in the same. Freenarnian suggested Kamet may be calling him Pigeon as a nickname. Considering he was focused on so much towards the end of the book, I'm guessing he will somehow play into the next installment?

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Re: spoilers...but thoughts? freenarnian May 27 2017, 19:06:25 UTC
Baha, the Pigeon theory lives!!

:D

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Re: spoilers...but thoughts? ninedaysaqueen May 28 2017, 04:48:25 UTC
Until, I have a name for him, he shall be called Pigeon! :D Much like Sandy, whom I continue to call Sandy even now...

When you don't name your characters, Megan, we will and you'll have to live with our decisions. XD Just like the MoW will forever be Bob Kickabootus A. Loof.

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Re: spoilers...but thoughts? freenarnian May 28 2017, 17:12:43 UTC
I mean, his name could even actually be (or mean) Pigeon. We have examples in this series of names that mean bunny, shovel, and scroll-fastener (?!), after all. ;D Who's to say at this point that he wasn't a clever street urchin that Gen plucked out of obscurity to be the new face of Erondites? I wouldn't put it past him.

That said, I like the idea of it being Kamet's nickname for him. :)

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Re: spoilers...but thoughts? celebrilomiel May 28 2017, 18:24:01 UTC
That does sound like Gen.

I do think Gen picked Pigeon because he saw a little of himself in the boy. Cunning and deviousness, if nothing else. I'm really curious to learn his origins - whether he is a relative of Dite and Sejanus, or whether he's someone entirely unrelated. Since Gen was so adamantly against the house of Erondites ("raze your patrimony and salt its earth"), I'm dubious that Pigeon is a half-brother or even a cousin, but if he was put forward as an heir candidate and Gen liked what he saw, then he might have been selected anyway.

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Re: spoilers...but thoughts? freenarnian May 29 2017, 16:05:54 UTC
I think you're right. In KoA, Gen says twice that he will not let the house of Erondites survive. He must be talking about that family line (Dite and Sejanus') and their claim to the barony, because he lets both Dite and Sejanus live, just not as heirs. He also says he'll choose a new heir (else the land reverts to the crown). So, I'm guessing the new heir is not a relative, but is called Erondites because it is a title that comes with inheriting the land.

By the by: IRL, I owe my last name to the fact that a dude married my great-whatever grandmother and took HER name, because she owned land (under her name) and he did not.

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Re: spoilers...but thoughts? celebrilomiel May 29 2017, 18:37:53 UTC
I like that theory; it makes the most sense, and it could explain why Pigeon isn't already literate.

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Re: spoilers...but thoughts? filkferengi May 30 2017, 12:52:57 UTC
Pigeon, bunny, lion, elephants--what is this, animal farm? All we need is the guinea pig cowering effectively in the corner [or, more likely, Ursula Vernon's Hamster Princess].

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