I think you're too concerned with war... And to be quite honest, I don't really care what other countries think of us. We're the strongest country in the world. We shouldn't have to worry about what other people think of us, because it's not like everyone's going to get together and just bomb us. That won't happen. The war may not have been the best idea, but it's not for oil, like most people think it is. I think my generation has been brainwashed with this oil crap. Too much MTV and Rock the Vote crap.
I don't completely agree with everything Bush has done, but I just don't like Kerry at all. I've done a lot of research, plus my family is in politics (Ari Fleischer being the most known), and I know the issues. Overall, my family is Democratic. If Liberman was running, I'd vote for him. Hell, if Edwards was running with someone else, I'd most likely vote for him. Point is, I just can't stand Kerry at all. He has no true convictions. And yes, his tax plan will eat the middle class alive. Remember, his wife is worth billions. Kerry cares for Kerry, and Kerry only. Although he mas money, he doesn't want to spend his own money on this country, he wants to spend the midle class money. That's where you're wrong. Bush isn't going to change taxes. Almost everyone has benefited from Bush's tax break.
I also don't agree with Kerry's policy on health care... And I have my own reasons for that.
Anyway --- I'm done with this. You voted for your own reasons, and I voted for my own reasons. You and I arguing over politics is never going to get either one of us anywhere.
Typical arrogant American... you better care what other countries think of us because if a country like CHINA starts hating us the way Osama Bin Laden does... we're going to have more trouble than a couple of buildings going down.
I agree with you whole heartedly Courtney, if Kerry doesn't win, I will be terribly disappointed in this country, and the entire world will be laughing at us for re-electing that idiot. I for one, voted for Kerry... and not because I HATE Bush, but because I believe in Kerry and I believe he is for America... not for HIMSELF like our poor excuse for a president.
Sorry, you're not going to change my opinion... Whether you call me arrogant or not. Honestly, like I'm going to say for the 3rd time now, we have our own opinions. We're entitled to have them. This is why we have elections like this. If we all felt the same, then there wouldn't be a need for any sort of election. For the millionth time, I voted for my own reasons beyond what I've stated in these posts.
I think Bush truly cares about this country, I REALLY do. That's how I feel. You're not going to change that. You feel that Kerry cares, and that's your opinion.
I'm not going to sit here and bash you because you voted for Kerry. Good for you, you got your opinion out. You did what you could do. I'm not going to start e-fights over it. That's a little lame, don't you think?
Just know you got your say in this election, and be happy with that, no matter what the outcome is. If Bush is TRULY going to ruin your life, and make you dead-broke, or ship you off somewhere, then simply pick up your bags and leave. People do it all the time.
I wasn't bashing you for voting for Bush, I was bashing you for seeming to think that no one can touch America. The fact that most of the world HATES America and the fact that China has weapons of mass destruction, could in fact lead to a mass bombing of the United States. That is why I called you arrogant, people seem to think we are untouchable and we definitly are not.
I don't care who you voted for and I wasn't causing an "e-fight" I was simply replying to the things you had said because it basically irritates me when someone acts as though America is untouchable to the entire world.
I don't think we're untouchable, but I don't think anything major will happen within the next 4 years, no matter who gets elected. It's not like China's going to just bomb us for the hell of it. The reality is, war is scary, no matter who is President of this country. If China doesn't like America, or Korea, or whatever country, it doesn't matter. If they don't like us, they don't like us. That's how it's going to be. Kerry nor Bush will change that.
Again, what I was saying had nothing to do with the election, I AM NOT SAYING KERRY IS GOING TO STOP ANYTHING. I'm saying, stop acting like the US can beat anyone and anything we come up against, because we can't.
ANd I was disappointed in this country when it "elected" Bush in the first place. What people fail to remember is that GORE won the popular vote -- in essence GORE won the election (and I still can't think of him without marking out for Rhyno HA), NOT Bush, and no one remembers that. Daddy bought that election for him.
I would, honestly, rather the world laugh at us for reelecting Bush than for pulling another month long vote count and then the Land of the Lawsuit rears its ugly head again. I swore up and down that when Bush got elected I was moving to Canada and renouncing my American citizenship (and I haven't quite let that go) I just didn't have the funds to make that happen. Not that I do now, but the principle is the same. And I realise that Dubbya will be gone in 4 yrs if he's reelected, but its not entirely HIM that I'm disappointed and willing to revoke my citizenship because of -- its the American public that disgusts me. The indecision, the lawsuits, the scandals, it's horrifying. At least Britain has the common sense to sweep those things under the rug.
Sadly, I don't think Kerry will win. I've been saying that for the past couple months, while I sorta like him, I don't think he has the backing and the momentum to win. It's all I can do to pray to God that if Dubs is put back in office that SOMEONE gets a clue and realises that we are NOT the most powerful country in the world anymore and we have to stop acting like it.
I was still half tempted to write in Dean as my presidential vote. HE is a candidate I would have gotten behind wholeheartedly.
I was disappointed too and he pretty much did exactly what I knew he'd do... go to war, kill the economy and lie.
I wanted to badly to vote in the last election just for Al Gore... because I LIKE Al Gore. Unfortunatly I wasn't old enough.
You're right, America is NOT the strongest country in the world and I wish people would get a clue. We are not untouchable... we are vulnerable and since half the world hates America, I wouldnt be surprised to see attacks on us. I'm sad that the entire world basically judges me on President Bush, it's sad that he represents our country as our "finest". The only thing I have now is that he can't be elected again after this... but 4 more years? I'm thinking about moving to Canada until his term is up... wanna come with?
See, you both think I'm some crazy Bush supporter. I'm not at all. I would have voted for Dean any day... And when I was in high school, I was DYING to vote for Gore. I really liked him, too.
I don't think you're some crazy Bush supporter -- I just don't see how you can support someone who lies ( better yet, is too stupid to know a lie from the truth) and I fail to see how you think he cares about this country.
I didn't think you were a crazy Bush supporter... and if you voted for Bush that's your right. Now... let's all be friends and stop arguing because we're obviously never going to agree.
I liked Gore too. A lot. As uncharismatic as he was, he had common sense. It frustrates me that we're judged on Bush too. We have friends from Australia that sail the ocean and upon last talks with them, the world HATES us. It's not the media, it's not bullshit, the world HATES us cos they think we're incompetent idiots. Why people cannot grasp the fact that what we, the American public, have allowed Bush to do has caused such massive hatred and distrust inthe world is beyond me.
The other bit that aggravates me is that NO ONE will take a stand. Sure, we bitch about our presidency, we bitch about the gov't, but WE HOLD THE POWER AND NO ONE DOES ANYTHING. Know why they don't? Same reason *I* don't. Because I don't think anyone would get behind me cos they're too scared shitless to break the mold. If I could have thought of some ingenius way to get Dean the nomination instead of Kerry, I would have done it in a heartbeat. I. Love. Dean. I hate Kerry. I really do. But I hate Bush more than hate can be defined. I think Kerry is just... i don't know. Something I don't like. But I cannot for the life of me come up with one good reason why Dubbya should stay in office.
Ngh. Yes. I will come with to Canada. But I drive a Camaro, I don't think my car will make it far in a Toronto winter LOL
That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient Causes; and accordingly all Experience hath shewn, that Mankind are more disposed to suffer, while Evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the Forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a Design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their Right, it is their Duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future Security.
And that should be all the justification we need. Hell, we've made a history of chaffing against overbearing authority, so what's the problem? Why can't we do that now? Because we're based on a culture of fear. We're terrified to do anything against Big Brother (or what might as well be Big Brother) or even show how we truly feel because God forbid we do anything that looks "unpatriotic." Anyone who says anything bad about Bush automatically becomes unpatriotic, unamerican, and doesn't truly care about the country and its people. But really, what's more patriotic, more American, than rebellion?
That being said, I'll join anyone on the trip to Canada now.
It's me, I'm in class and can't remember my password. Go me.
But really, what's more patriotic, more American, than rebellion?
I don't know, but people can't grasp that. We ARE based on fear, we ARE afraid Big Borther is gonna come crashing down on us, and will we DO anything about it? No. Cos we have no balls, no backbone, no nothing. We're slowly working our way back to a dictatorship or monarchy of some form. History DOES repeat itself, I think it's about time that we put our foot down to the head cheeses of these "United States" and tell them to go fuck themselves.
I don't completely agree with everything Bush has done, but I just don't like Kerry at all. I've done a lot of research, plus my family is in politics (Ari Fleischer being the most known), and I know the issues. Overall, my family is Democratic. If Liberman was running, I'd vote for him. Hell, if Edwards was running with someone else, I'd most likely vote for him. Point is, I just can't stand Kerry at all. He has no true convictions. And yes, his tax plan will eat the middle class alive. Remember, his wife is worth billions. Kerry cares for Kerry, and Kerry only. Although he mas money, he doesn't want to spend his own money on this country, he wants to spend the midle class money. That's where you're wrong. Bush isn't going to change taxes. Almost everyone has benefited from Bush's tax break.
I also don't agree with Kerry's policy on health care... And I have my own reasons for that.
Anyway --- I'm done with this. You voted for your own reasons, and I voted for my own reasons. You and I arguing over politics is never going to get either one of us anywhere.
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I agree with you whole heartedly Courtney, if Kerry doesn't win, I will be terribly disappointed in this country, and the entire world will be laughing at us for re-electing that idiot. I for one, voted for Kerry... and not because I HATE Bush, but because I believe in Kerry and I believe he is for America... not for HIMSELF like our poor excuse for a president.
Go Kerry, I'm pullin' for ya!
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I think Bush truly cares about this country, I REALLY do. That's how I feel. You're not going to change that. You feel that Kerry cares, and that's your opinion.
I'm not going to sit here and bash you because you voted for Kerry. Good for you, you got your opinion out. You did what you could do. I'm not going to start e-fights over it. That's a little lame, don't you think?
Just know you got your say in this election, and be happy with that, no matter what the outcome is. If Bush is TRULY going to ruin your life, and make you dead-broke, or ship you off somewhere, then simply pick up your bags and leave. People do it all the time.
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I don't care who you voted for and I wasn't causing an "e-fight" I was simply replying to the things you had said because it basically irritates me when someone acts as though America is untouchable to the entire world.
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ANd I was disappointed in this country when it "elected" Bush in the first place. What people fail to remember is that GORE won the popular vote -- in essence GORE won the election (and I still can't think of him without marking out for Rhyno HA), NOT Bush, and no one remembers that. Daddy bought that election for him.
I would, honestly, rather the world laugh at us for reelecting Bush than for pulling another month long vote count and then the Land of the Lawsuit rears its ugly head again. I swore up and down that when Bush got elected I was moving to Canada and renouncing my American citizenship (and I haven't quite let that go) I just didn't have the funds to make that happen. Not that I do now, but the principle is the same. And I realise that Dubbya will be gone in 4 yrs if he's reelected, but its not entirely HIM that I'm disappointed and willing to revoke my citizenship because of -- its the American public that disgusts me. The indecision, the lawsuits, the scandals, it's horrifying. At least Britain has the common sense to sweep those things under the rug.
Sadly, I don't think Kerry will win. I've been saying that for the past couple months, while I sorta like him, I don't think he has the backing and the momentum to win. It's all I can do to pray to God that if Dubs is put back in office that SOMEONE gets a clue and realises that we are NOT the most powerful country in the world anymore and we have to stop acting like it.
I was still half tempted to write in Dean as my presidential vote. HE is a candidate I would have gotten behind wholeheartedly.
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I wanted to badly to vote in the last election just for Al Gore... because I LIKE Al Gore. Unfortunatly I wasn't old enough.
You're right, America is NOT the strongest country in the world and I wish people would get a clue. We are not untouchable... we are vulnerable and since half the world hates America, I wouldnt be surprised to see attacks on us. I'm sad that the entire world basically judges me on President Bush, it's sad that he represents our country as our "finest". The only thing I have now is that he can't be elected again after this... but 4 more years? I'm thinking about moving to Canada until his term is up... wanna come with?
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I still wish Liberman would take Kerry's place.
Point is, I just cannot stand Kerry.
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The other bit that aggravates me is that NO ONE will take a stand. Sure, we bitch about our presidency, we bitch about the gov't, but WE HOLD THE POWER AND NO ONE DOES ANYTHING. Know why they don't? Same reason *I* don't. Because I don't think anyone would get behind me cos they're too scared shitless to break the mold. If I could have thought of some ingenius way to get Dean the nomination instead of Kerry, I would have done it in a heartbeat. I. Love. Dean. I hate Kerry. I really do. But I hate Bush more than hate can be defined. I think Kerry is just... i don't know. Something I don't like. But I cannot for the life of me come up with one good reason why Dubbya should stay in office.
Ngh. Yes. I will come with to Canada. But I drive a Camaro, I don't think my car will make it far in a Toronto winter LOL
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And that should be all the justification we need. Hell, we've made a history of chaffing against overbearing authority, so what's the problem? Why can't we do that now? Because we're based on a culture of fear. We're terrified to do anything against Big Brother (or what might as well be Big Brother) or even show how we truly feel because God forbid we do anything that looks "unpatriotic." Anyone who says anything bad about Bush automatically becomes unpatriotic, unamerican, and doesn't truly care about the country and its people. But really, what's more patriotic, more American, than rebellion?
That being said, I'll join anyone on the trip to Canada now.
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But really, what's more patriotic, more American, than rebellion?
I don't know, but people can't grasp that. We ARE based on fear, we ARE afraid Big Borther is gonna come crashing down on us, and will we DO anything about it? No. Cos we have no balls, no backbone, no nothing. We're slowly working our way back to a dictatorship or monarchy of some form. History DOES repeat itself, I think it's about time that we put our foot down to the head cheeses of these "United States" and tell them to go fuck themselves.
Alas, I don't see that happening in my lifetime.
ANd I think you make three on the Canada trip :D
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