For me when any Sabbat,Esbat or Holiday comes around and Im too busy to really do anything. I just have like a little thankful meditation or just anything in respect to the Holiday. In my opinion even the smallest thing is better than doing nothin.
I was at a drummin last march for the spring equinox and was really annoyed when a girl approached a couple with the drumstick and they refused to participate, tellin her not to ask them to go ask someone else. To me that is disrespect to the gods/goddesses. Any kind of act to the gods/goddesses is to me greatly looked at their eyes. It tells them that u are not one who just passes it by without a thought.
Another great idea would be to just light a candle and just meditate on the Sabbat. Meditate on what it means. Thank the Divine for everything they have done for u and will continue to do. How u will help them.
I hope this helped. By the way Wicca is to Paganism as Baptist is to Christianity. Wicca is just another part of Paganism.
I was at a drummin last march for the spring equinox and was really annoyed when a girl approached a couple with the drumstick and they refused to participate, tellin her not to ask them to go ask someone else. To me that is disrespect to the gods/goddesses. Any kind of act to the gods/goddesses is to me greatly looked at their eyes. It tells them that u are not one who just passes it by without a thought.
I call bullshit.
It is a worse offense before the gods to act before Them without sincerity, without truly wishing to serve Them and to do Their Work.
You cannot compel sincerity.
You have NO idea as to why this couple chose not to participate. You are interpreting it as being disrespectful to the Gods, but in truth you know nothing. If you are going to get that offended by things about which you know absolutely nothing, then perhaps this isn't the religion for you. Or perhaps you need to go back an take a serious look at just exactly what it is you believe and why you believe it.
I'd think it'd be more of an offense to God & Goddess to feign sincerity and interest in an activity dedicated to them, than to opt out of something they either didn't agree with or just had some other reason for not participating. No one can know why, but I'm sure they had their reasons, if mundane or otherwise.
If the couple in question did not feel the need to participate, for whatever reason, to do so anyway would be a true act of disrespect toward the Gods.
EDITED TO ADD: Allow me to propose some reasons why the couple might not have wanted to drum.
1) Someone close to them had recently passed away, and they were grieving. 2) They'd just had a fight and were directing their energies toward their relationship, not toward music making. 3) One (or both) of them had a cold and didn't feel they could take part in the energy flow properly. 4) They have no sense of rhythm. 5) They just didn't feel like it at that moment.
Reason 7 (just to keep beating a dead horse :-D )-
They may not be wiccan/pagan/whatever and just around for the curiosity but not brave enough to experiment.
Overall I feel that it's the intent that matters in the long run. If someone doesn't feel like participating, so be it. The gods aren't so anal that they smite people for not ass kissing every breathing moment.
That is how I see it. Why would u go to an event that calls for participation yet u do not participate? By the way I do not believe in religion I believe in spirituality and HOW DARE U TELL ME I KNOW NOTHIN!!!
I have no further words for u. I think u just posted this to start crap. Stay in highschool.
I was just tryin to help.
U do have point though:It is a worse offense before the gods to act before Them without sincerity, without truly wishing to serve Them and to do Their Work.
Child, I had finished college and was jumping out of airplanes in the 82d Airborne Division before you ever were born. I have at least one Tarot deck and a fair number of books in my esoteric library that are older than you are by several years. Forgive me, please, if I am less than overwhelmed by your scorn.
And for you to prattle on so about your devotion to god and goddess; to say that you are druid, but that you do not believe in religion, only spirituality, simply shows how little you do know. If I said that you know nothing, I only put into words what you had already made abundantly clear
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Why would u go to an event that calls for participation yet u do not participate?
... the event didn't allow spectators?
It didn't allow people to come just to socialize?
Was it made clear anywhere in the publicity for the event that the attitude of the organizers was "Take part or stay the hell out of it"?
If the answer to those question is "no", then you're the one making huge and judgemental assumptions. I agree with brock_tn -- you have some learning and growing up to do.
("Craft of the Nice", indeed... sometimes education hurts.)
Maybe I should explained it better than I did. Im a druid so I think about any way I can serve the gods or goddesses. That is my way. U have a good point.
I just got off work and apologize if I made an unproper comment
And you harm none, do as you willelkorMay 1 2008, 16:02:01 UTC
and was really annoyed when a girl approached a couple with the drumstick and they refused to participate,
Did they cause harm from their action?
To me that is disrespect to the gods/goddesses.
Do you realize the harm you are causing by your action/comment? The amount of negative energy you are generating within yourself, and also projecting to that couple is not in the good ju-ju category.
Re: And you harm none, do as you willoutcryofcrowsMay 2 2008, 03:31:23 UTC
I think of any way in which I can serve the gods/or goddesses.
That is my way. I do it with a happy heart as well. I do not think it is negative to serve them. In my opinion it is lazy for people to not want to do at least something for them. But ur right they could have their reasons. I also have mine for the way I feel about it
I was at a drummin last march for the spring equinox and was really annoyed when a girl approached a couple with the drumstick and they refused to participate, tellin her not to ask them to go ask someone else. To me that is disrespect to the gods/goddesses. Any kind of act to the gods/goddesses is to me greatly looked at their eyes. It tells them that u are not one who just passes it by without a thought.
Another great idea would be to just light a candle and just meditate on the
Sabbat. Meditate on what it means. Thank the Divine for everything they have done for u and will continue to do. How u will help them.
I hope this helped. By the way Wicca is to Paganism as Baptist is to Christianity. Wicca is just another part of Paganism.
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I call bullshit.
It is a worse offense before the gods to act before Them without sincerity, without truly wishing to serve Them and to do Their Work.
You cannot compel sincerity.
You have NO idea as to why this couple chose not to participate. You are interpreting it as being disrespectful to the Gods, but in truth you know nothing. If you are going to get that offended by things about which you know absolutely nothing, then perhaps this isn't the religion for you. Or perhaps you need to go back an take a serious look at just exactly what it is you believe and why you believe it.
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I'd think it'd be more of an offense to God & Goddess to feign sincerity and interest in an activity dedicated to them, than to opt out of something they either didn't agree with or just had some other reason for not participating. No one can know why, but I'm sure they had their reasons, if mundane or otherwise.
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If the couple in question did not feel the need to participate, for whatever reason, to do so anyway would be a true act of disrespect toward the Gods.
EDITED TO ADD: Allow me to propose some reasons why the couple might not have wanted to drum.
1) Someone close to them had recently passed away, and they were grieving.
2) They'd just had a fight and were directing their energies toward their relationship, not toward music making.
3) One (or both) of them had a cold and didn't feel they could take part in the energy flow properly.
4) They have no sense of rhythm.
5) They just didn't feel like it at that moment.
ANY of those reasons is sufficient.
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They may not be wiccan/pagan/whatever and just around for the curiosity but not brave enough to experiment.
Overall I feel that it's the intent that matters in the long run. If someone doesn't feel like participating, so be it. The gods aren't so anal that they smite people for not ass kissing every breathing moment.
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I have no further words for u. I think u just posted this to start crap. Stay in highschool.
I was just tryin to help.
U do have point though:It is a worse offense before the gods to act before Them without sincerity, without truly wishing to serve Them and to do Their Work.
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Child, I had finished college and was jumping out of airplanes in the 82d Airborne Division before you ever were born. I have at least one Tarot deck and a fair number of books in my esoteric library that are older than you are by several years. Forgive me, please, if I am less than overwhelmed by your scorn.
And for you to prattle on so about your devotion to god and goddess; to say that you are druid, but that you do not believe in religion, only spirituality, simply shows how little you do know. If I said that you know nothing, I only put into words what you had already made abundantly clear ( ... )
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... the event didn't allow spectators?
It didn't allow people to come just to socialize?
Was it made clear anywhere in the publicity for the event that the attitude of the organizers was "Take part or stay the hell out of it"?
If the answer to those question is "no", then you're the one making huge and judgemental assumptions. I agree with brock_tn -- you have some learning and growing up to do.
("Craft of the Nice", indeed... sometimes education hurts.)
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I just got off work and apologize if I made an unproper comment
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News Flash! That's what's called "religion", sweetie.
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Did they cause harm from their action?
To me that is disrespect to the gods/goddesses.
Do you realize the harm you are causing by your action/comment? The amount of negative energy you are generating within yourself, and also projecting to that couple is not in the good ju-ju category.
There is no One True Way.
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That is my way. I do it with a happy heart as well. I do not think it is negative to serve them. In my opinion it is lazy for people to not want to do at least something for them. But ur right they could have their reasons. I also have mine for the way I feel about it
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That is a commendable attitude. My advice to you is to consider whether the actions/words that you express here help the cause of the gods/goddesses.
In my experience, the Gods are less worried about whether someone participates versus whether they are honest in their participation.
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