Too many new K-pop idol groups debuting...my assessment.
Hey guys! I'm Crono. This is just a quickie regarding my favorite Meta topic: the K-pop industry. Mind dump warning…
( I may or may not like rookies very much... )
( I may or may not like rookies very much... )
I like that you're so optimistic. Most of my arguments have been general "this is how the idol system is" pessimism, but I like how you are proposing plausible solutions that in some cases have been partially implemented.
However, I still believe that the saturation of groups and the rushing of production is inevitable per wave of any new form of media, and that in the long run this saturation isn't that detrimental to the success of the big names. After all, I am one of those people who don't care about any of these new groups because I have SNSD. Nine Muses doesn't detract from my enjoyment of Kpop at all. My bringing up Jpop successfully treading water is that your original point seemed to be that it would kill Kpop.
Anecdotal
LOL, I think I've permanently turned raingilded off of Jpop because I've purposely traumatized her with some of its more more horrifying products. >:D Although actually, having to sit through the horrifyingly cutesy Jpop has led to my having a great deal of respect for quality bubblegum and my first response to Kpop was "meh" because their bubblegum(circa 2008) wasn't unabashed enough. XD
At least train them longer/better.
Heh, CCM cheats by using old SM trainees instead. :3 Which boyband has the Big Bang reject?
the further away that is, the better
But at what cost? MM has been able to stay afloat for over 10 years but its current fanbase is mostly wota. And now they're stuck with 'em. It's the same reason why the Sones are always so adamant about SNSD's fanbase NOT being all ahjhussi fans. They don't want SNSD being associated with the wota stigma.
CF songs: I like Visual Dreams as a song. MV wasn't too shabby either, about on par with their RDR MV actually. I think people were just disappointed that it was Intel and yet the budget was apparently so small. In my perception though most fans seem to think Chocolate Love is like their greatest song after Gee and TMYW.
But if by CF songs you mean Ramyun and Cooky, the SHIT MAN DO I AGREE.
Korean artists are more popular in Japan than Japanese artists are popular in Korea.
I'm still not sure about this statement because I have no numbers that say otherwise, but I don't know if any of the Korean charts include foreign releases. And before this current wave of idols Jpop definitely was a big presence in Korea and their main source of pop music, as their HOT-era wave and the bubblegum trend in 2008 were basically the Korean take on Jpop. The difference between Kpop and Jpop really began with DBSK and the trend for Kpop members to be well-trained and highly talented instead of the girl-next-door approach that that one former member of Finkl/SES admitted was used for her own admittance into the group.
Keep in mind also the scale. Of course there are more Japanese fans of Kpop than the opposite due to the sheer size of the Japanese market. In terms of percentages though, I think there might be more Jpop support in Korea because the idol market in Japan is such a small percentage of its overall music market, even in the mainstream.
Flooding the market with more and more groups is detrimental towards international appeal.
I dunno about this because a lot of the newbie groups have done more promotions in Japan than SNSD and have begun building fanbases already. Infinite and Dalmation, for pete's sake. They don't seem to have suffered much for having trained less. The girlgroups on the other hand seem to be having a harder time of it, which links into the next issue.
that female Korean idols would win if we considered the opinion of other heterosexual Asian men
I guess Japanese men aren't Asian then. Oh wait...
Lol, you should come into chat some time so we can PICTURE FACE OFF!
Also the solution to this is obviously bikini jello wrestling.
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I really don't know if I would compare VD to RDR, while RDR was a fairly simple MV, the outfits in VD were recycles of TMYW, RDR (with a different color palette) and Hoot! Even the arm wave choreography was copied from TMYW...also some of the mistakes were awful. I still don't know if the Jessica thing was intentional, but Yuri's pained expression at around 0:08 onwards was disturbing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSQwCK_8VSM
She really looked like she did not want to be there, and for good reason. Maybe it was the song but they looked so robotic and emotionless in the MV that I was stunned. RDR, they were definitely fierce although I wish Sooyoung showed more skin like the one time she wore Taeyeon's RDR outfit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TNO8q-k0-0
God those abs are hot enough to eat off of.
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Eh, I disagree with VD outfits being recycled since basically all SNSD outfits since TMYW have been recycles of the hotpants formula(especially Hoot being a rehash Oh outfits minus the numbers) Besides which it's not like the RDR choreo itself was particularly inspired.(I already made a rant about it. XD) But I never watched the VD MV in detail or its performances so I can't really compare.
Oh, so you're abs man huh?
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