I got halfway through. The irony was too goddamned much.
Members of batshit loco institutions, the same institutions that have created the worldwide movements persecuting gays, all breaking from those same institutions to say that everyone should ignore the very historical teachings that preach against the rights of gays to marry or even exist.
These people represent a minority that is, if you think about it, a paradox in the flesh. To rip off Doug Stanhope: they're making up their own Christianity. They choose to believe the parts of the bible that don't really effect them.
Garden of Eden? Sure! Christ's teachings of Love? Absolutely!
Gay Marriage?
Oh, that was just a typo.
Fuck these idiots. If they have any balls at all, they'll denounce the religions they represent outright.
Yes, yes, I understand. "Their hearts are in the right place."
But saying their organizations and their opinions about marriage should have no bearing on a human being's civil rights is a smidgeon better than saying they should, or saying nothing at all.
I hold out no hope that Fundamentalist Christianity will do a collective "D'oh!" and suddenly quit nosily meddling in other people's private affairs, stop pretending Intelligent Design is science in any way, get their puppeteering hands out of Washington's asses, and stop crying oppression when they're not allowed to plaster their religion all over government buildings I have to use, too.
But I do hold out hope that maybe one by one people will start toppling toward being a tad reasonable with baby steps like these from liberal religions (or no-God religions like the women from the UU churches in the video).
Intelligent Design bears some research into what it really is. Don't let it be usurped by the Right Wing Evangelical Christian Fundamentalists. It is not theirs. It is more philosophy than science. But there again a fair amount of science relies on philosophy for it's explanations/interpretations of observed and tested data.
I know it's not Creationism, and honestly, I believe there was probably some sort of intelligent design to the origin of life. But I am well aware that my belief has no science in it at all, and thus, should not be taught in a science class, and I don't think it's a good compromise between the sciences we can teach and Creationism. ;)
ID started as a paper written by some scientists (some of those scientists were atheists) that simply said that the order and symmetry of the universe is so elegant that it begs the question that there was an intelligence that designed it. Personally I've tumbled into the agnostic if not atheist camps as far as higher powers go. The eastern philosophies that indicate that the way or the path is within oneself and with introspection and thought one will find it of oneself. No higher power is there to grant or deny it. It is simply within one to find it within themselves.... within there I added another within. OOOooooh. two of them even..... ;)
I fall into the Pantheist category, which is to say, I believe there is a "higher power" of sorts, but it's all of the energy in the universe collectively. Kind of a Jedi type philosophy, but it seems to count as a higher power! And while I recognize the gaping CHASM between Creationism, and the type of stuff you and I are talking about (which seems pretty similar,surprisingly, or not so surprisingly!), I still object to the idea of these theories being taught alongside provable science, as a kind of compromise (and I know you're not arguing for this, but some recently have, such as Ben Stein, shockingly) for people of some faith or another.
Creationism is a religion if not at least a philosophy. And as such has no more a place in science than any other religion or philosophy. Science BTW isn't truly proven. It is theory tested and reviewed by peers and accepted as "truth". It remains such until another theory is tested and reviewed by peers and declared "truth" thus superseding the previous theory. The fun part is when there are competing theories and none are as of yet declared "truth". But of course I do recognize that we're the choir. Interesting word that... choir...
I know, I did not claim that science was proven. Science is, however, testable, and Intelligent Design cannot be tested in any way, at least no way that anyone has yet imagined, so it is not yet a science.
There are many theories in, for example, quantum physics. Many contradict, but all are at least observable and duplicable, thus making them the sketchiest of sciences, but something can be done to observe, test, duplicate the theories.
That can't be done with any ID theories.
LOL - I hate being in the choir ;D Much rather be a soloist! hehehe...
I found their message to be quite sincere, and I have been burned by people calling themselves Christians on many occasions. Perhaps they are finally understanding what God really is.
Their message (that they like THE GAYS) can be sincere from hell to breakfast. It still doesn't change that the rest of their message lends support to the religious systems that have spent the last thousands of years telling people GAYS IS BAD.
It's the KKK publicly stating they think Blacks should be allowed to marry Whites.
Members of batshit loco institutions, the same institutions that have created the worldwide movements persecuting gays, all breaking from those same institutions to say that everyone should ignore the very historical teachings that preach against the rights of gays to marry or even exist.
These people represent a minority that is, if you think about it, a paradox in the flesh. To rip off Doug Stanhope: they're making up their own Christianity. They choose to believe the parts of the bible that don't really effect them.
Garden of Eden? Sure! Christ's teachings of Love? Absolutely!
Gay Marriage?
Oh, that was just a typo.
Fuck these idiots. If they have any balls at all, they'll denounce the religions they represent outright.
Yes, yes, I understand. "Their hearts are in the right place."
Pavement on the road to hell, anyone?
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In fact, two of them were not of the "Jesus existed" variety, either, which is reassuring ;)
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If that one dude had ripped his collar off and denounced Christ, I might have given his words weight.
They are part of the very system causing the fucking problem in the first place.
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But saying their organizations and their opinions about marriage should have no bearing on a human being's civil rights is a smidgeon better than saying they should, or saying nothing at all.
I hold out no hope that Fundamentalist Christianity will do a collective "D'oh!" and suddenly quit nosily meddling in other people's private affairs, stop pretending Intelligent Design is science in any way, get their puppeteering hands out of Washington's asses, and stop crying oppression when they're not allowed to plaster their religion all over government buildings I have to use, too.
But I do hold out hope that maybe one by one people will start toppling toward being a tad reasonable with baby steps like these from liberal religions (or no-God religions like the women from the UU churches in the video).
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It is more philosophy than science. But there again a fair amount of science relies on philosophy for it's explanations/interpretations of observed and tested data.
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Personally I've tumbled into the agnostic if not atheist camps as far as higher powers go. The eastern philosophies that indicate that the way or the path is within oneself and with introspection and thought one will find it of oneself. No higher power is there to grant or deny it. It is simply within one to find it within themselves....
within
there I added another within. OOOooooh. two of them even..... ;)
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Science BTW isn't truly proven. It is theory tested and reviewed by peers and accepted as "truth". It remains such until another theory is tested and reviewed by peers and declared "truth" thus superseding the previous theory. The fun part is when there are competing theories and none are as of yet declared "truth".
But of course I do recognize that we're the choir.
Interesting word that... choir...
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There are many theories in, for example, quantum physics. Many contradict, but all are at least observable and duplicable, thus making them the sketchiest of sciences, but something can be done to observe, test, duplicate the theories.
That can't be done with any ID theories.
LOL - I hate being in the choir ;D Much rather be a soloist! hehehe...
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Their message (that they like THE GAYS) can be sincere from hell to breakfast. It still doesn't change that the rest of their message lends support to the religious systems that have spent the last thousands of years telling people GAYS IS BAD.
It's the KKK publicly stating they think Blacks should be allowed to marry Whites.
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You ready?
I am always in that mood.
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*swat!!!!*
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