I disagree that you can know a person completely. You can never know a person completely, no matter if you spend a lifetime with them. Maybe, and I stress the maybe, if you spend multiple lifetimes with them you might be able to get in their head and come close to knowing them completely.
I believe that it's possible to know someone more completely than they know themselves. I worded it awkwardly when I said 'completely' because that would imply a knowledge of past, present, and future. If someone lets you in, though, truly takes down all of their barriers/walls and invites you to know them better than they know themself, that, to me, is love.
Loving a person is loving the hidden spaces of their mind and soul, but it's also loving the admirable things they do, as well as their known faults. It's much more complicated, and there are different types of love. True love, which is so rare, never fades. You may grow apart from who you love, but you'd never stop loving them.
I'm not speaking only of the kind of True Love you are, because I don't really believe in that. I believe you can wonder about the hidden cracks of someone's mind, you can try to discover them, but you can't love what you don't know. You can become infatuated with it, obsessed with it, but that's all superficial. Real love cannot come from a lack of knowledge.
Also, I do not believe that any kind of love will ever disappear completely. The rush may be gone, the type of love that it is may change, it may lessen to a point where you can manage it, almost forget about it, but it will always be there.
I also disagree that you can love a person if you know all the reasons of their being. Some people can, but some people couldn't. There is true evil in the world, people who would kill their parents just because of a whim. Those are the people that I doubt many people could find to love, no matter if they knew all the reasons for their actions or not.
That's where our opinions really differ, I think. I believe that anyone can be loved, not just those we think should be. If you were to truly understand a sociopath, someone who killed their parents without a reason at all (for example), you would love them, but you would probably deny it to yourself, because it would be too hard. Besides, I doubt that most people could ever fully understand them, in order to be understood, they would have to let you into their mind, into their heart, and someone who kills without any reason whatsoever would not allow that.
Ah, then I agree that you can know a person better than they know themselves, but only in certain respects. You can never really be sure what a person is thinking. I also agree that taking down barriers helps to love someone, but if they do that, it doesn't mean that you'll automatically love them. I guess I worded that part a bit wrong, as I was talking about all types of love in the first sentence. And our opinions definitely differ on whether some loves can die or not. I think you missed when I said that some people can love them, while others can't. I believe it depends on the person that's doing the loving, whether or not they could love someone like that. Parents and children love each other in their own way, but people outside of that are those that may or may not be able to love. Some people could love, but deny it, but I also believe that people just can't love people like that. Wow, I guess we both have pretty firm ideas on what love is and how we view it. I wonder if everyone has strong views like this, or if we're just oddballs out.
I doubt there's a point in discussing this very much further, as neither of us is going to change their mind from simple discussion (I believe that experience can change opinions on almost anything).
I didn't miss the part where you said that not all people would be able to love them, I just disagree with it and felt that the rest of my response addressed that fairly enough.
I think lots of people have firm views on stuff like this, but few people ever sit down and discuss it (so to speak).
Yeah, I don't think there's much left to discuss either. What do you think it would be like if there was a forum set up just for this type of thing? Do you think people would actually use it?
They might. I mean, I know a few people who like discussions like this (which is probably part of the reason why my ideas can be so firm, I've talked about it before), but it would depend on how it was run and how many people were there to start off.
I believe that it's possible to know someone more completely than they know themselves. I worded it awkwardly when I said 'completely' because that would imply a knowledge of past, present, and future. If someone lets you in, though, truly takes down all of their barriers/walls and invites you to know them better than they know themself, that, to me, is love.
Loving a person is loving the hidden spaces of their mind and soul, but it's also loving the admirable things they do, as well as their known faults. It's much more complicated, and there are different types of love. True love, which is so rare, never fades. You may grow apart from who you love, but you'd never stop loving them.
I'm not speaking only of the kind of True Love you are, because I don't really believe in that. I believe you can wonder about the hidden cracks of someone's mind, you can try to discover them, but you can't love what you don't know. You can become infatuated with it, obsessed with it, but that's all superficial. Real love cannot come from a lack of knowledge.
Also, I do not believe that any kind of love will ever disappear completely. The rush may be gone, the type of love that it is may change, it may lessen to a point where you can manage it, almost forget about it, but it will always be there.
I also disagree that you can love a person if you know all the reasons of their being. Some people can, but some people couldn't. There is true evil in the world, people who would kill their parents just because of a whim. Those are the people that I doubt many people could find to love, no matter if they knew all the reasons for their actions or not.
That's where our opinions really differ, I think. I believe that anyone can be loved, not just those we think should be. If you were to truly understand a sociopath, someone who killed their parents without a reason at all (for example), you would love them, but you would probably deny it to yourself, because it would be too hard. Besides, I doubt that most people could ever fully understand them, in order to be understood, they would have to let you into their mind, into their heart, and someone who kills without any reason whatsoever would not allow that.
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I guess I worded that part a bit wrong, as I was talking about all types of love in the first sentence. And our opinions definitely differ on whether some loves can die or not.
I think you missed when I said that some people can love them, while others can't. I believe it depends on the person that's doing the loving, whether or not they could love someone like that. Parents and children love each other in their own way, but people outside of that are those that may or may not be able to love. Some people could love, but deny it, but I also believe that people just can't love people like that.
Wow, I guess we both have pretty firm ideas on what love is and how we view it. I wonder if everyone has strong views like this, or if we're just oddballs out.
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I didn't miss the part where you said that not all people would be able to love them, I just disagree with it and felt that the rest of my response addressed that fairly enough.
I think lots of people have firm views on stuff like this, but few people ever sit down and discuss it (so to speak).
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