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User: (Anonymous)
Date: 2007-10-14 11:17 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Thanks for letting me know that there are still others in the world who are brave enough to stand against normalization of homosexuality. If it was normal, our civilation would be on the decline. However its a personal choice for a person to decide their values, ethics, and standards, then appreciate the values in others. A person decides what they find atttractive in others; no, its not the bonding and mixing of your neurochemicals, or because "God made me that way" (if you believe in God) because he didn't. If you prefer Darwin's theory of natural selection, nature creates continuance, which is why gay couples have to adopt a child outside of their genetic pool. No matter how hard u try, a square peg will not fit in a round hole, 2 eggs can't self fertilize, millions of sperm cells' genetic code winds up in a handi wipe.. Obviously, anything society deems standardized via moral decadence, will obviously create trends. In highschool(the one I had to attend) I was in the punk scene with multiple piercings, and my manic panic'k mohawk, so the preppies didn't like me, but neither did the hippies that hung around my in my circle; I wasn't cool because I wouldn't pretend I was gay, when the bottle was spun. Its funny to note that all of the "gay or bi sexual girls" who called me Mr. Bigot, even though I am of Arabic origin, wound up pregnant. Anyhow, just because someone doesn't agree in same sex marriage, or believe that being gay is normal doesn't mean they hate you! Get over it. We just don't believe it should be thrown in our face and told we're bad people because we have different standards than you. When you do that, it creates animosity in people and actions that otherwise wouldn't be there. Its great that you were brave enough to come out and I'm sure you went through a lot with your choice to do it, but please, don't believe that the guy standing behind you at starbucks wants to hear about it. The truth is, people outside of your value circle don't give it the same "level of greatness". We have our own matters to attend to.
Anyhow, I must say, I do admire your passion, and your incredible talent and skill with words; elegant and beautiful our language is not descriptive enough to note them. I find and value these much more noteworthy than wasting time debating an issue that was created by egoistic people from both extremes.
Thank you for your time,
Jared
aljasier@aol.com
Jared,
Thank you for taking the time to comment on my livejournal. I'm truly curious to understand the differing points of view on homosexuality, and your post has helped add to my experience. I do have a response, and I hope you can consider it to be conversational rather than confrontational, because that is the spirit in which it is intended.
First, I want to move past the term "normal". There's a difference between normal and common, or the "norm". Homosexuality is certainly not common - it presents in only a small percentage of the population - in much the same way that left-handedness, blue eyes, or red hair are not common. But, they are all perfectly normal, standard deviations from the norm.
That being said, I don't ask you or anyone to "believe" in my normalcy. Further, I don't think that this disbelief, yours or anyone else's, translates automatically into hatred. To stay with the topic to which you replied, my issue with Mr Hake was not his disbelief of the normalcy of homosexuality, it was with the method by which he chose to express it - by sending an unsolicited email to "tens of thousands" of people. It was actually kind of ironic - the behavior to which I took offense is exactly the behavior you object to from homosexuals. To quote you: "We just don't believe it should be thrown in our face and told we're bad people because we have different standards than you."
I'm not a bad person, Jared. I'm a normal, everyday person. I'm a law-abiding, tax-paying, hard-working, home-owning, middle-class mom. Oh, yeah, and I'm also gay. Being gay doesn't mean that I don't need a job, or a place to live, or a Social Security check in my twilight years. More importantly, it doesn't mean that someone else has the right to deny me those things because they don't believe I've made the right "sexual choice". I am truly confounded as to what my sexuality has to do with anything else. What possible difference could it make to you or anyone?
You say that it's "a personal choice for a person to decide their values, ethics, and standards, then appreciate the values in others." What makes you believe that our values, ethics, and standards are so different? I truly want to understand how my homosexuality hurts you, or anyone else. Aside from the fact that my stable, monogamous relationship consists of two women, where are my ethical shortcomings? I don't cheat, lie, or steal. I merge politely on the highway, I hold the door for the next guy coming through, I leave a 20% tip on the table at Applebee's.
I didn't choose to be gay, Jared, and I don't really need you or anyone else to believe me. But, I do need to insist that that disbelief not interfere with my ability to live my life, because I do have the same right to the same life as those who are heterosexual. The guy behind me in line at Starbucks will never know I'm gay, unless Starbucks starts refusing to sell lattes to the homos.
I'm posting this reply in my livejournal, as well as sending it to you via the email address you provided. I am interested in the discussion, but I won't be upset if you choose not to respond any further. Again, I thank you for your input.
Stephanie
User: (Anonymous)
Date: 2007-10-14 11:17 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Thanks for letting me know that there are still others in the world who are brave enough to stand against normalization of homosexuality. If it was normal, our civilation would be on the decline. However its a personal choice for a person to decide their values, ethics, and standards, then appreciate the values in others. A person decides what they find atttractive in others; no, its not the bonding and mixing of your neurochemicals, or because "God made me that way" (if you believe in God) because he didn't. If you prefer Darwin's theory of natural selection, nature creates continuance, which is why gay couples have to adopt a child outside of their genetic pool. No matter how hard u try, a square peg will not fit in a round hole, 2 eggs can't self fertilize, millions of sperm cells' genetic code winds up in a handi wipe.. Obviously, anything society deems standardized via moral decadence, will obviously create trends. In highschool(the one I had to attend) I was in the punk scene with multiple piercings, and my manic panic'k mohawk, so the preppies didn't like me, but neither did the hippies that hung around my in my circle; I wasn't cool because I wouldn't pretend I was gay, when the bottle was spun. Its funny to note that all of the "gay or bi sexual girls" who called me Mr. Bigot, even though I am of Arabic origin, wound up pregnant. Anyhow, just because someone doesn't agree in same sex marriage, or believe that being gay is normal doesn't mean they hate you! Get over it. We just don't believe it should be thrown in our face and told we're bad people because we have different standards than you. When you do that, it creates animosity in people and actions that otherwise wouldn't be there. Its great that you were brave enough to come out and I'm sure you went through a lot with your choice to do it, but please, don't believe that the guy standing behind you at starbucks wants to hear about it. The truth is, people outside of your value circle don't give it the same "level of greatness". We have our own matters to attend to.
Anyhow, I must say, I do admire your passion, and your incredible talent and skill with words; elegant and beautiful our language is not descriptive enough to note them. I find and value these much more noteworthy than wasting time debating an issue that was created by egoistic people from both extremes.
Thank you for your time,
Jared
aljasier@aol.com
Jared,
Thank you for taking the time to comment on my livejournal. I'm truly curious to understand the differing points of view on homosexuality, and your post has helped add to my experience. I do have a response, and I hope you can consider it to be conversational rather than confrontational, because that is the spirit in which it is intended.
First, I want to move past the term "normal". There's a difference between normal and common, or the "norm". Homosexuality is certainly not common - it presents in only a small percentage of the population - in much the same way that left-handedness, blue eyes, or red hair are not common. But, they are all perfectly normal, standard deviations from the norm.
That being said, I don't ask you or anyone to "believe" in my normalcy. Further, I don't think that this disbelief, yours or anyone else's, translates automatically into hatred. To stay with the topic to which you replied, my issue with Mr Hake was not his disbelief of the normalcy of homosexuality, it was with the method by which he chose to express it - by sending an unsolicited email to "tens of thousands" of people. It was actually kind of ironic - the behavior to which I took offense is exactly the behavior you object to from homosexuals. To quote you: "We just don't believe it should be thrown in our face and told we're bad people because we have different standards than you."
I'm not a bad person, Jared. I'm a normal, everyday person. I'm a law-abiding, tax-paying, hard-working, home-owning, middle-class mom. Oh, yeah, and I'm also gay. Being gay doesn't mean that I don't need a job, or a place to live, or a Social Security check in my twilight years. More importantly, it doesn't mean that someone else has the right to deny me those things because they don't believe I've made the right "sexual choice". I am truly confounded as to what my sexuality has to do with anything else. What possible difference could it make to you or anyone?
You say that it's "a personal choice for a person to decide their values, ethics, and standards, then appreciate the values in others." What makes you believe that our values, ethics, and standards are so different? I truly want to understand how my homosexuality hurts you, or anyone else. Aside from the fact that my stable, monogamous relationship consists of two women, where are my ethical shortcomings? I don't cheat, lie, or steal. I merge politely on the highway, I hold the door for the next guy coming through, I leave a 20% tip on the table at Applebee's.
I didn't choose to be gay, Jared, and I don't really need you or anyone else to believe me. But, I do need to insist that that disbelief not interfere with my ability to live my life, because I do have the same right to the same life as those who are heterosexual. The guy behind me in line at Starbucks will never know I'm gay, unless Starbucks starts refusing to sell lattes to the homos.
I'm posting this reply in my livejournal, as well as sending it to you via the email address you provided. I am interested in the discussion, but I won't be upset if you choose not to respond any further. Again, I thank you for your input.
Stephanie