Comments | slamlander: I find it dificult to believe

slamlander

I find it dificult to believe

Jul 13, 2006 00:42

that Hezbollah expects the world to buy into this bullshit. While Isreal is trying to get their captured trooper back from the Palestinians, Hezbollah makes a raid from the north and captured two Isreali troppers of their own. With these actions, Isreal appears to be increasingly justified in whatever actions that take, despite what UN Secretary ( Read more... )

islam, polyticks, israel, international

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raydon_12 July 13 2006, 03:23:22 UTC

I've been listening to the stories about this on NPR. Something has occured to me. Or something(s). One of the commentators made mention that right now many followers of hezbollah, Hamas, et al, are knee jerking and causing trouble and in many ways, as you mentioned, its their own fault, Israel has been making good on promises to move OUT of the West Bank and such. But no one will realize who's starting the trouble till its WAY too late.

I have this horrible feeling that Israel is about to get into a war they can't win. There are simply more of the Palestinians and such than there are Israeli's. My other horrible feeling is that somehow, the U.S. is going to get dragged into it.

Not a good thing at all.

slamlander July 13 2006, 08:56:49 UTC

Make no mistake, Isreal can definitely win such a conflict and they would not need much US aide. Satelite intell support maybe but that's about all.

I think that Isreal will wait and give all the groups more than enough rope to hang themselves and make it clear to even the most dense of corrupt idiot as to who is at fault.

No, I'm worried about the other side of the coin where Isreal will be clearly justified in carpet bombing Palestine with everything they have and turning it into a blood-soaked killing field, a large fenced abbatoir with only Palestinians in it. No, that would not be genocide since it would only be targeting a culture and not a race.

Such a result would not be good for either the Palestinians (very small consideration there) or the Isrealis. Killing at such a level would warp them beyond anything we know now and moreso if it was fully justified.

There's no such thing as a winnable war. real_skeptic July 13 2006, 10:47:43 UTC

Not in this day and age, anyway. You're seriously deluding yourself if you think that by being able to locate targets in air photographs, you can actually win a war. Um, and by the way, we hold air control over the entire area. And we have several operational satellites of our own. We don't need USA satellite intelligence ( ... )

Re: There's no such thing as a winnable war. slamlander July 13 2006, 12:38:50 UTC

First off, I agree with this statement. The best that you can do is to lose the least, regardless of style of conflict.

Guerilla warfare is winnable if you want to be ruthles enough. My primary example here is the US Cavalry v. the Apache and Lacota Sioux. However, the win was not without a price. Such warfare can be won by conventional forces.

I know that Hizbollah and Hamas are different sects. It's the common funding and weapons source that ties them together.

My point is that tanks and heavy equipment is large and difficult to hide. Therefore it's easier to destroy.

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*Sigh* real_skeptic July 13 2006, 08:31:45 UTC

The situation with the Palestinians is a bit more complicated than you describe it. Civilians have been killed on both sides, although we try to keep to the moral high ground that we kill by mistake while they target civilians on purpose. The kidnapped soldier made things muddier because soldiers are supposed to be fair game, but Israel does not regard them as such ( ... )

Re: *Sigh* slamlander July 13 2006, 08:47:40 UTC

At some point an asshole is simply an asshole. Hamas has been told a long time ago to disarm and they have refused. Of course, it is Syria that gave them all those shiney toys that go "bang".

How much influence they have from Syria or Iran is going to be difficult to prove. An expedient military leader would be tempted to look only at the immediate threat and worry about incidentals later, if at all. If it is possible to disarm Hizbollah by surgical bombing missions and a few strikes with armored units then I am sure the Isreali army is at least considering it and I wouldn't blame them.

Another factor here is that the Lebanese government hasn't disarmed Hizbollah simply because they can't. Destruction of Hizbollah arms by Isreali forces might result in a secretly gratefull Lebanese government and allow them to regain control of that part of their country.

Re: *Sigh* real_skeptic July 13 2006, 10:54:42 UTC

You mean Hezbollah has been told to disarm. The Hamas is a relatively new movement, and it's purely Palestinian. Their leader is a resident of Syria, but it has very limited arms - those Qasam rockets that have been dripping on civilian heads for a while now, and explosives for suicide missions, is all ( ... )

Re: *Sigh* slamlander July 13 2006, 15:24:54 UTC

Yes, I meant Hezbollah, sorry ( ... )

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