Dicks with Wings

[sistermagpie]

So Supernatural was on last night, which means time for the weekly round of "who's the biggest jerk and why, and who owes what to who..." Since I’ve been reading a lot about it, I'm going to say ...

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[trobadora]

You know, I've never watched SPN, but you make it sound interesting.

[sistermagpie]

I take that as a good thing!:-)

[caesia390]

Ditto. I explored the fandom a little bit, but this post right here is probably the most interesting thing I've read.

It seemed like the Dean&Sam arc was falling even farther into gratuitous angst, and the self/brother co-dependency aspect, while appealing, eventually lost my interest.

The idea of an angel sacrificing absolute certainty to trust *humanity* is pretty appalling... No wonder Castiel is traumatized.

[sistermagpie]

Thanks! I really do like the addition of Castiel. He seems like he's just got his own thing going on that slots in well into their story but imply something going on offscreen.

[blackjedii]

I still get angry with Castiel from a viewing standpoint just because I like to see those who are culpable.. admit to culpable. But you lay out a lot of interesting points and I hope that Castiel's views as an angel vs. the Winchester's views as humans come up more in the show - great source of tension if they play it right!

As for Dean knowing about the panic room, it's doubtful. His first and immediate guess was Ruby, mainly because the salt lines had been messed with and broken. And he figured that she could have gone through a salt iron door just because of TK, which it did turn out she had.
I don't think he thought much about it past the confrontation with Sam later in the episode though, so who knows if his mind was changed. I do believe it no longer matters to Dean and Sam at least.

[blackjedii]

^ admit to culpability. i cannae spell!

[sistermagpie]

Ah, I had forgotten Dean's thought process about the panic room. But yeah, like I said, for me I figure it would be part of all his support of the angels there. But I can totally great why when Castiel, of all people, says anything about the apocolypse started the obvious thought is...oh, the apocolypse you were working on diligently bringing about for most of last season? Yeah, sorry about that. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a smackdown about that eventually if Castiel keeps it up.

[etoile444]

I really love your post.

Castiel can not be the human some viewers wish him to be. He's an angel. I habve to use that excuse because it is the truth. He does not see things as a human would, he shouldn't.

And gahhhh! If Cas suddenly thought exactly like Dean he would be BORING!

What I just can't grasp is why fandom won't let characters have flaws! It happens and it's ok. I want my characters flawed, unpredictable, worrisome, bickering, making up, doing the right thing, making mistakes, saying they're sorry, not saying they're sorry, telling the truth, lying. ETC......

In short, I like multi-dminetional characters. Cas delievered that on many levels. The fact that he looked troubled when he was about to stab Jesse was somewhat of a human response. I liked that.

He's mad at Sam because Sam represents or represented the enemy and Cas sees things in black and white.

Thanks for the meta! :)

[sistermagpie]

I have to say, at this point I feel like all 3 characters have a pretty impressive history of bad ideas and wrong-thinking, or mistakes that came from good but mistaken thinking, or times they just couldn't hear the obviously right thing because they were too committed to what was going on in their own head in the time. In any given situation any one of them might have a point, but they're all coming from completely different directions. Thanks for commenting!

[static_pixie]

Ha, this is what I love so much about SPN, me and a friend were kind of joking about it the other week. You can have the greatest of intentions and generally, the better those intentions are, the worse you will fail in some way, shape or form. Or not even fail, really - you can still succeed and the fallout of that success will either completely suck or it can partially suck and partially be good and that's just kind of what you have to live with. There's never a point at which anyone is 100% right or 100% without bias.

[withdiamonds]

This makes much sense. I think we get a little too caught up in the blame game sometimes.

[sistermagpie]

It does probably say something good about the way the characters are written. It's really easy to do that in real life too. If we didn't care, we wouldn't argue about it.