Thank goodness for small favors.

[sisterjune]

I saw the film Waitress last night. It's a really beautiful film and I recommend it to everyone. I thought the story was very empowering and uplifting, particularly to women who are having a hard time the way the heroine of the film was. She's undergoing alot but she's never self pitying or defeatist and at the end she makes two very important and

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[sisterjune]

well here's my view of it, even if selfish cheating assholes is harsh to me there is such a thing as emotional cheating. yes will nor emma have actually had sex but it doesnt matter, they have been emotionally unfaithful, I am more annoyed at will over this than emma since she was only recently married and ken knew already that she's not really in love with him. Before I go into will, I will say this about emma. Normally I take the girl's side but in this case Emma is not an innocent, Ken did not bulldoze her into anything, she said I am gonna marry you cause I dont wanna be alone. That was her reason, nothing we have seen so far in shows it that it is otherwise. I mean emma said they wont tell anybody about the marriage, they wont live together, they wont hang out after work. Her conditions are pretty ridiculous and unfair but ken still agreed to them. She wont even let him touch her and he pretty much let's it go. I"m not saying he should be more belligerent to her about it, imho he should realize a hopeless case when he sees it and know that this relationship will never work for him and he needs to move on. So while I pity him a bit, it's very minor cause he's letting himself stay in this crappy relationship. In Emma's case though, I have ZERO sympathy. Yes she's lonely and that's sad, yes the person she loves is taken, and that's sad. But at the end of the day, she chose to say yes to marriage to a man she clearly has zero romantic feelings for, actually finds kind of gross, all because the guy she likes is taken. and Yet she still continues to flirt with him even after she accepted to marry ken and she believes will is married to a PREGNANT woman. That is pretty fucked up IMO. Will likewise though he says he's never intentionally encouraged emma, he's pretty obvioulsy flirting with her and when his wife showed up he seemed angry that she was around because she was preventing him from being around Emma. H clearly has feelings for Emma. There is doubt of this to either of them or the viewers. Basically in reality, when a married person is in this situation 1 of two things happen, an emotional affair occurs that may very well lead to a physical affair or the person or persons in question wise up and realize that this is not going to lead good places and then they pretty much limit their interactions to the strictly professional and make sure they rarely see each other. This is a tv show so it's not like it has to be totally realistic but that doesnt mean I can ignore what's going on here. I had no problem with Will/Emma in the first few eps cause it was all minor and subtle and i could believe they had no idea what was going on or what they were doing. but now? there's no innocent parties here. Personally though my biggest problem with the storyline now isnt that everyone is being dishonest, it's that it's taking up so much of the plot away from the younger student playing actors. Who are I thought supposed to be the center of the show. and yet will has a big chunk of plot every week and it's usually him flirting with emma and the various manufactured obstacles that will keep him and emma apart. of which I cannot even remotely care less.
But hey man, we can agree to disagree too. everyone likes the show for their own reasons.

[dazzlingsoup]

But an emotional affair is nothing horrible, people are attracted to others even though they are still very much in love with another person. I know that once I get married that even though my heart will be with the person I marry, I'll probably still find some attraction in another person, though never to the point I would actually feel like I needed to leave the one I leave (which is pretty much Wills situation since he has never made any sort of effort to leave Terri even though shes a psycho wench). I expect the same with anyone else because remaining completely neutral post marriage is just an ideal situation. Plus, maybe it will take his emotions growing for Emma to make him realize that he was never really suited for his wife in the first place. Is it really all that fucked up of her to flirt with someone she clearly loves very deeply? Maybe it's because I've been in a similar situation to Emma that I can understand what she is going though. Also, as for the episode when crazy wench started working at the school, I saw that as more of a her invading his personal space instead of "Oh you're wrecking my flirting time". I'd be pissed off if my husband or whatever suddenly started working wherever I do because I need my personal space. Hell, Terri has her craft room for her personal time to get away from Will.
Oh well, to each their own.

[sisterjune]

Ahhhh, that's why you were upset about what I said. I never took you as the hardcore shipper type so I thought it was odd you were bothered by my dislike of Will/Emma but now I get it. Something similiar did happen to you I remmeber that but Kayla just fyi I really did sympathize with you in that situation but there are some large differences between what happened with you and what is happening on Glee. 1. the people in you're scenario i am assuming were all around your age and thusly very young. 2. no one was pregnant in your situation (yes terri isnt actually pregnant but both will and emma THINK she is) and 3. neither you nor the other people involved in your situatoin were married or engaged. these are all huge differences for me. While I wouldnt say emotional cheating is ever a good thing, I think there is a point where it can be much more forgivable and understandable if/when it occurs. such as in your situation. In Will's situation, he's married to terri, been with her over five years, she's (assumedly) pregnant, and emma has recently gotten engaged in herself. The fact that their are feelings is not the real issue, the issue is, both are aware of this yet continue to shamelessly flirt and engage in some IMHO very intimate gestures, conversations and actions. and the show sort of plays it off as romantic when I'm just looking at it and feeling irritated and grossed out. It also bothers me that Terri is protrayed as a psycho so Will can get a free pass for engaging in that behavior and to me I dont care how scary terri is, he made a vow to her on his wedding day, he made a promise and call me old fashioned but he makes a promise like that it means he has to uphold it. Even on the days when Terri is being a bitch. and If she's really at the point where there's more bad than good then he needs to talk with her about it and it's not worth it to him to save his marriage then he should be honest about that at least cause from what I see so far, for all her faults, Terri really loves will and doesnt want him to leave her.
This whole she annoys me but i cant leave her so i'll just flirt with my sweet passive coworker instead thing that Will is pulling is dishonest and underhanded at worst and weak and spineless at best. He needs to take responsiblity, he's still under the impression he's gonna be a dad which is something he seems to care about yet he's engaging in these flirtations and I mean it's worse even cause he now knows she's engaged to his fellow coworker and said coworker confronted him about it and he's still playing this so obvliviously. it's plain wrong IMHO.
I can see why you sympathize with him a bit but there is a big difference between finding someone hot while being married and what will/emma are doing. It's definitely gone way past the point of innocent friendship by now as well. Just my opinion of course, I'm not judging you either way just want you to know that. At the end of the day it's just a tv show and my biggest peeve with will/emma remains that they take time away from the aspects of the show I truly enjoy rather than any question of morality.

[whited_79]

tim roth excells so much at the intense stuff and my shipper heart did many leaps at all the lovely Cal/Gillian interaction at the end.

I also heard Cal called Gillian 'love' the other day...how British of him yet it still made me giddy LOL!