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shrinetolust

Torchwood

Jul 25, 2009 10:41

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lilithilien July 25 2009, 16:57:58 UTC

Weeks later, I'm still reeling from it. And not at all impressed with RTD's smugness about fans not respecting his artistic vision. I don't need a happy ending, necessarily, but I like a glimmer of hope. What bothered me about CoE was that -- apart from Gwen & Rhys' unborn child -- there was none. The things that made Jack human were all destroyed. If the point was to break Jack utterly, then RTD succeeded. But watching such a broken character in the future -- yeah, I'm not that interested. (But chances are he'll be all recovered next time we see him, just like he was after Tosh and Owen died ( ... )

shrinetolust July 25 2009, 18:03:47 UTC

Yes, cinzia was talking about what a jerk RTD has been to the fans. It's like he thinks it's funny that he's destroyed all that fans love. Maybe it's all about the power with him. When I write, I do it for myself, but I also do it because I enjoy entertaining people and making them happy. I wouldn't take it likely to devastate the fans of my work ( ... )

bloominbabylon July 26 2009, 22:02:38 UTC

Excellent article, thanks for the link.

I'm not going to lie, I didn't watch for the compelling stories or terrific writing. Torchwood had more plotholes then swiss cheese, but I happily considered that part of its cheesy charm. Until Ianto died.

I watched for Jack and Ianto, their burgeoning relationship. It was ruined before it was even given a chance.

I don't buy that Ianto 'had' to die. I call BS. It seems like a cheap way to get the 'drama' that a lot of people seem to enjoy. I don't understand that. If I want to be gutted and depressed, I'll turn on CNN. If that makes me shallow or a bubblehead, so be it.

For me, Torchwood died when Ianto did. Destroying Jack was just the crap icing on the shit cake that was Children of Earth.

Hope I don't sound too crazy, I'm still pretty bitter about the whole thing.

shrinetolust July 26 2009, 23:41:41 UTC

Yes, Torchwood has always been guilty pleasure material. I loved Captain Jack with a passion, and to have a mainstream bisexual character on TV was just jaw-droppingly awesome. Not to mention he's hot. *G* And like the original Star Trek that was often corny with low-budget scenery, you watched it because the characters were so much fun. And Torchwood was like that--the banter and the nuttiness and the sexy stuff ( ... )

bloominbabylon July 27 2009, 23:48:52 UTC

You said it much better then I did:)

Have you ever seen Merlin? Wonderful slashy subtext and all episodes end HAPPY. It's become another guilty pleasure.

shrinetolust July 30 2009, 00:29:48 UTC

I love your icon...hee!

You know, I'm such a dork, I haven't watched Merlin yet. I missed the first couple episodes without even realizing it, and then kept meaning to get caught up--and now I've missed it entirely. Gah. I got side-tracked by Torchwood downloads. :P

idlesloth July 27 2009, 15:09:13 UTC

TW has always been rather uneven IMHO, some very weak points, some very strong. I didn't personally have a "thing" for Ianto and his death didn't upset me vastly - except in the sense that we'd only just killed off Tosh and Owen, so the core team is pretty decimated. I was, however, very disturbed by the death/sacrifice/murder of Jack's grandson, Steven, on all sorts of levels - not least because that choice makes a mockery of what ianto died for, the whole idea that you can'tplay the numbers game; a hurt to one is a hurt to all etc. Sacrificing a smaller number, whether it's 10% or one small Steven, was a principle that they were supposed to be fighting against. but by then, of course, Jack had been written into a corner. When Ianto was still making a brave stand and Jack was talking about angry humans in defence of their own, I kept wondering But What can they do? How would they fight? But hey, you'll always have plot holes in showslike TW and that's ok, I can buy a plot hole or three, but yeah, they seemed to change the ( ... )

shrinetolust July 30 2009, 04:03:01 UTC

Yes, Torchwood has been very uneven, and quite crappy in some spots...heh. Captain Jack is pretty much what keeps me coming back. I liked Gwen in the beginning, but they tend to make her too freakin' overwrought, and if it were a lesser actress I'd probably hate her by now ( ... )