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Aug 02, 2011 19:47

[Private to Omega]

What do you remember of the revolution? And what came after it?

[Private to Seven]

What do you know of the revolution and it's aftermath?

kinda in love with my bff, the time lords are his children, reminds me of that other guy, rassilon likes omega, fretting all the time

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championoftime August 3 2011, 01:27:28 UTC
[AH!!!]

Why do you ask?

I-

Well I was under the impression that-

Your leadership was exceptional as a revolutionary, but without a war to fight you weren't the pinnacle of authority. Peace isn't something acceptable to you. You always needed the challenge.

[Nryyyyyrrrr.]

So it's been said.

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shortsghtedlove August 3 2011, 01:40:18 UTC
So they say I did badly after the revolution. I was too violent.

[He narrows his eyes.] Do they say anything more specific about that?

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championoftime August 3 2011, 01:51:11 UTC
Your policies became increasingly dangerous. They set a precedent that could have been disastrous for Gallifrey. [That has actually turned out disastrous, despite his better wishes.]

You divided our schools, funded research to create objects that caused nothing but disaster for other civilizations, you very rarely considered anyone outside of those that you favoured, when the obligation of a leader is to account for the best interests of everyone.

You're a general, and a scientist, Rassilon. You were best at that.

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shortsghtedlove August 3 2011, 01:57:41 UTC
[Oh, you!] I always had the best interest of our people in mind! Who spread the ridiculous notion that I played favourites?

The division was to make things more manageable. And what objects would those be? Would you rather our technology never advanced? Don't even start complaining about my weapons, those were made because of a war.

And most people seem to think of me as primary being a politician.

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championoftime August 3 2011, 02:08:07 UTC
And our politics are some of the most bore-some and repetitive mindless drivel to ever cross the cosmos. Certainly something I doubt you'd want to be associated so strongly with.

You fought against segregation just to create another sort. We were given the heights of technology, manufactured celestial bodies to power it, and then forbade to use it to any useful end. But I still believed in you, and your general ideas, and even adamantly adhered to them for the longest time until I realized that when preventative genocide was an acceptable loss, races condemned before they actually acted when we only give them a nudge in the right direction, we weren't worthy of the title "Lord".

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shortsghtedlove August 3 2011, 02:16:53 UTC
Generalizations. Not every politician is a fool.

What useful way? Things like you running around the universe and starting one revolution after the other without caring for the consequences? I've talked with your younger self, he loves being irresponsible. I don't know what he's even doing here.

Preventative genocide? Is that about the Daleks? You of all people should know that it would have been the best solution. The Daleks were made to be what they are.

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championoftime August 3 2011, 02:20:28 UTC
No. But the ones that weren't you proclaimed were enemies or openly ignored them. [He knows! He saw you do it- Wait. No he didn't. Ignore that.]

This is just as much about you trying to omit the rest of the universe. But yes, that's what made me realize it. It seemed a grand idea at the time.

And I'm not entirely the same man as my younger self. I choose not to be responsible, because my responsibility invites disaster.

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shortsghtedlove August 3 2011, 02:25:12 UTC
Having differing opinions didn't make them less competent. And I somehow doubt you know all the specifics about my political career. [Sometimes he really wonders why he puts up with the Doctor. Usually when he sounds like that one adviser.]

What was wrong with it? Things would have turned out better?

An in that case, why do anything at all? One is always responsible for their actions.

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championoftime August 3 2011, 03:10:54 UTC
Because there were still Thals on that planet. [Few though they were, and some had made it off world. But...]

Yes, they are. No matter how much they try to run away from them.

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shortsghtedlove August 3 2011, 03:19:05 UTC
An acceptable sacrifice, considering how many planets and civilizations would have been spared.

So what's your point?

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championoftime August 3 2011, 03:21:40 UTC
Rassilon, you're talking as though I didn't actually effectively destroy the world.

I did.

It saved no more people than had I simply destroyed the Hand of Omega. [Which he knew how to operate.]

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shortsghtedlove August 3 2011, 03:25:26 UTC
Because it was too late by then. Had the Daleks been destroyed when your younger self was sent to do so, it would have worked.

[Also, have a glare, Doctor. Don't even think of doing that.]

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championoftime August 3 2011, 05:17:12 UTC
Would it have?

I had been to Skaro after I was sent there but before my fourth self. How much damage would I have caused to a secure timeline?

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shortsghtedlove August 3 2011, 08:08:03 UTC
It could have been repaired. How much damage the Daleks caused could have been prevented?

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championoftime August 3 2011, 08:15:50 UTC
How many wars would have broken out after the Daleks weren't present as a common enemy? Could we have maintained peace? Could we have revealed ourselves rather than cowering in fear and elitism once the Daleks were no longer a threat?

You'll have to take up that argument with my younger self. My opinions have changed since then. The fact is, I probably would have tried to keep Davros from making them in the first place.

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shortsghtedlove August 3 2011, 08:20:44 UTC
I'd say the number of wars as devastating as what the Daleks turned out to be what have been rather small. And if anything would have even approached the amount of destruction created by them, we would have interfered. We interfered often enough, we just weren't as blatant and irresponsible about it.

And see? Destroying them, never making them, it comes down to the same thing. Why are you even arguing against it?

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