I LOVE NATE. If I wasn't so convinced he's like inches from death if not already there, I'd totally write fic about him making his own way in the alt!verse after Rose inevitably loses interest
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I've speculated that maybe he and Donna could...stabilise each other, somehow? THEN WE GET BOTH.
I...don't know, because - Donna's human brain couldn't handle the capacity of a Time Lord's, so he had to repress those functions, yes? But I can't see why her memories should be so tied into that. Of her time being part Time Lord, maybe, but all of it? (And one could argue that the TARDIS did much the same to Rose's mind - "that's what I see". Was it just a possession or an altered state of being?) It would help if we knew exactly what happened when she touched that hand.
I imagine they didn't want to risk them altering their respective Time streams? Which we may not consider enough of a reason, but...
I really think the Bad Wolf ordeal was a straight up possession. The only bit that seems like Rose's influence is perhaps the strength of her feelings for Jack as someone she knows getting through, but even then there wasn't any control over the action. I think for it to be anything other than that, Rose would have to have something innately mystical about her, rather than the Bad Wolf just being the TARDIS in the (any) flesh.
Maybe he could remove just the time being part Time Lord, but I can't help feeling like that'd leave a more confusing gap of "wtf happened in the middle of all that then?" than overlaying the whole thing with her normal life. *shrug*
Probably - but then one wonders what the hell "Bad Wolf" was about in Turn Left.
Yeah, but it wouldn't remove all of the character development. I think a small gap is preferable to...well, all of it. I know Donna still has all of her potential, but she grew so much. And things will be confusing anyway - where did that year go? Why is her family acting different? Where the hell did her fiance go?
I always figured it came down to them being ruthless, callous bastards, really.
Given that nothing else happened post-Turn Left with that, I'm given to thinking that was more of the warnings the heart sent out from all the way back in s1.
Maybe it has to do with her enhanced mind being so clever it would be able to peel through all of the attached strings if he left anything uncovered.
They're just so officious I can't help but think there's got to be a bureaucratic reason behind the action!
Which is odd, because why did Rose have to send that message before anything happened? How did she know it was going to happen? ...I need to stop trying to make sense of RTD's plots, don't I?
Is it still enhanced, though?
Yes, but they are officious in a ruthless callous way! Gallifrey: Making Bureaucracy Scary Since the 1960s.
Well, the time vortex would know, and I figure that was the bit sending the warning. Obviously, Rose wouldn't know. Plus, time being relative and the Bad Wolf warnings we saw in s1 being sent out retroactively from The Parting of the Ways in the first place...it works. At least to me.
If it weren't enhanced by (what is now) nature, I don't think there would be the worry that conscious awareness of it would kill her. That goes back to my original idea, he hedged off the conscious awareness of the enhancement to prevent it being used for lack of the ability to actually remove an ingrained enhancement.
The warnings never really...warned about much, though. Basically Bad Wolf ended up spurring Rose on to get back to Nine, but what will they mean to Ten? Something Bad Is Happening? How does that help?
That's...what's weird to me, though. He said a human body can't support a Time Lord mind, but if she still has a Time Lord mind, even if she doesn't really access all of it...
I think the warning is really meant to just mean "something bad is happening." Which just makes me believe the idea more. Because Nine and Rose didn't know what it meant until it happened. But after than, there was Ten, and he now recognizes exactly what it means. It could be that the grander scheme was in fact this more recent conflict, and those warnings were in part leading to it as well. (Apparently there were also Bad Wolf warnings also hidden around in s3, like a poster in a foreign language in one of the cars in Gridlock at least, which is curious, in the least.)
Basically, though, I just mean the heart's corporeal separateness from Rose makes it a different set of circumstances that causes me to go WTF at the comparison to Donna's situation.
I think it's meant to mean Time Lord knowledge (I think he even used the word, but don't quote me), so blocking access to the knowledge appears to do the job.
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I...don't know, because - Donna's human brain couldn't handle the capacity of a Time Lord's, so he had to repress those functions, yes? But I can't see why her memories should be so tied into that. Of her time being part Time Lord, maybe, but all of it? (And one could argue that the TARDIS did much the same to Rose's mind - "that's what I see". Was it just a possession or an altered state of being?) It would help if we knew exactly what happened when she touched that hand.
I imagine they didn't want to risk them altering their respective Time streams? Which we may not consider enough of a reason, but...
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Maybe he could remove just the time being part Time Lord, but I can't help feeling like that'd leave a more confusing gap of "wtf happened in the middle of all that then?" than overlaying the whole thing with her normal life. *shrug*
Hmm. That works too...
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Yeah, but it wouldn't remove all of the character development. I think a small gap is preferable to...well, all of it. I know Donna still has all of her potential, but she grew so much. And things will be confusing anyway - where did that year go? Why is her family acting different? Where the hell did her fiance go?
I always figured it came down to them being ruthless, callous bastards, really.
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Maybe it has to do with her enhanced mind being so clever it would be able to peel through all of the attached strings if he left anything uncovered.
They're just so officious I can't help but think there's got to be a bureaucratic reason behind the action!
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Is it still enhanced, though?
Yes, but they are officious in a ruthless callous way! Gallifrey: Making Bureaucracy Scary Since the 1960s.
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If it weren't enhanced by (what is now) nature, I don't think there would be the worry that conscious awareness of it would kill her. That goes back to my original idea, he hedged off the conscious awareness of the enhancement to prevent it being used for lack of the ability to actually remove an ingrained enhancement.
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That's...what's weird to me, though. He said a human body can't support a Time Lord mind, but if she still has a Time Lord mind, even if she doesn't really access all of it...
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Basically, though, I just mean the heart's corporeal separateness from Rose makes it a different set of circumstances that causes me to go WTF at the comparison to Donna's situation.
I think it's meant to mean Time Lord knowledge (I think he even used the word, but don't quote me), so blocking access to the knowledge appears to do the job.
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