Why do we have oxygen in the air?

May 16, 2012 00:08

We have oxygen, because our plants, alga and other obligate phototrophs split water to O2 releasing four electrons and four protons in the process. The protons are used to make ATP to power the cell, while the electrons are used to recharge the porphyrin in the reaction center where light separates charges and to fix CO2; oxygen is waste. It is a ( Read more... )

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combinator30 May 16 2012, 06:26:10 UTC
I see a weak point of this theory in the statement that Chl replaced BChl in the RCs. There are at least two independent hints that it was vice versa...

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shkrobius May 16 2012, 12:25:17 UTC
True, but it is a secondary point that does not invalidate the general logic. The main point is that Fe(II) oxidation provides at least three preadaptations required for water splitting photosynthesis. Observe also that sea water having Fe(II) absorbs light and so the porphyrins and other pigments would be optimized to different absorption bands before and after Fe(II) removal from the oceans. I have my own pet theory that would require something along these lines. NAD+/NADH is a surprising choice because it poorly works in an oxygented world. If you look at NAD, it has ortho -C(O)NH2 substitution in the pyridinium unit. A chemist realizes that this group is the product of hydrolysis of -CN group. I have an idea that the first "NAD" was, actually, o-carbonitrile; that would considerably change energetics, increasing its reductive power. Perhaps the first phototrophs were more efficient in CO2 fixation than today's phototrophs operating in oxygenic world, which stuck to the machinery developed for a completely different situation and ( ... )

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combinator30 May 16 2012, 15:24:23 UTC
Well I believe that NAD+/NADH (and NADP+/NADPH) was used in the metabolic processes long time before chlorophyll photosynthesis, probably already in the RNA world...

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shkrobius May 17 2012, 06:48:54 UTC
It breaks the C-N motif of nucleobase heterocycles. It is hard to see why would you use pyridinium rather than something more similar, like imidazolium. However if there is cyanide in o-positions then it would follow the pattern.

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combinator30 May 17 2012, 13:13:43 UTC
I am agree that there is some logic in this line of thoughts but what I don't understand is why do you think it will be a pattern if we will replace O by NC in NADs Nicotinamide?

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shkrobius May 18 2012, 18:36:53 UTC
I'm just saying that if it was -CN group, then hydrolyzing this group automatically gives -C(=O)NH2 group that is found in NAD's. I'm suggesting that it was a 2-cyanoderivative first, but as it became hydrolyzed more efficiently the microbes could have switched to using the product of hydrolysis and then started making it de novo. A cyano derivative would have a more favorable potential, but it is intrinsically unstable.

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myugor May 16 2012, 16:40:42 UTC
Maybe it doesn't.
Chlorophyll a is still a primary donor in RCs of Chlorobiales, and all bacteriochlorophylls are synthesised from chlorophyll a. Also it's unlikely that first photosynthetic pigments were Chl-c-like chlorins, since they are inefficient in photochemical reactions.

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combinator30 May 16 2012, 18:58:07 UTC
Chlorophyll a is still a primary donor in RCs of Chlorobiales...
This is interesting and unexpected for me. Do you have some references where is I can read more about that?

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myugor May 17 2012, 04:45:42 UTC
combinator30 May 17 2012, 06:42:50 UTC
Thanks, this is very interesting, especially the second reference!
Unfortunately I do not have an access to the full text but even abstract already quite informative. I think it give us some possible evolutionary link between cyanobacteria and other phototroph bacterias...

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