Well I *said* I was making a bunch of shit up as I go, right?

Mar 24, 2011 16:43

First of all, how the hell is Mom going to live without me? Jeebus Fucking Christmas.

Mom: I need you to help me with my homework.
Mom: First I need a nap.
Mom: Also, call ADT - the motion sensor in the kitchen isn't working.
Me: STOP TALKING TO ME WHEN I'M ON THE PHONE WITH ADT.
ADT: Uh, sensor's fine. But the alarm system isn't connected to the ( Read more... )

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blowjobsalways March 25 2011, 01:29:24 UTC
You do that :)

I wasn't aware of the boarding school thing- and the only reason I could see Sam going to one of those would be for his own protection, as an heir to a very large company. But yeah, in my head, their house is still no bigger than three bedrooms and and Alan doesn't have an indoor pool or any of that shit.

I guess I can't really relate to the SoCal thing, having grown up in a small town outside of...er... Ottawa. But I'm guessing you mean there's less of a place for that Tony Stark "ridiculously rich" stuff SoCal than in L.A.?

Well, I don't know. If Sam was friends with pretentious people who went to his schools, he would have acted like them. The way he was in the movie, all anti-hero and anti-establishment- it doesn't seem like any of that stuff ever sunk in.

I feel like the contradictions in this part of the fandom are so great that we're allowed to just pick and choose whichever canon we want.

Don't worry about the rage. The worst thing ever is when you start a fic only to have some more cannon come to light that makes writing it pointless. (grr Kingdom Hearts)

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shirozora March 25 2011, 01:48:56 UTC
That was my first thought wrt the boarding school but, like, argh. And argh. And more argh.

Well Mr. Stark is still filthy rich but he gets to be filthy rich here in SoCal rather than over there in NYC. One of the things that really peeved me about Marvel and DC and a lot of movies in general was that everything happened in NYC. Like, everything. What are we, full of fakes and plastics and shallow shit? That's all I ever see - palm trees, sun, smug jerks, glitzy shallow women with massive boobs and nose jobs, and over the years all this rage started building over it. It's one thing to be unable to relate to movies because the stars are always heterosexual white men and women and it's another when the setting's never the California I know and love.

I think I overreacted with the whole "one side of canon" Sam Flynn but it really, really irritated me on a level I didn't think possible. Fuck, I was never this way with the Winchester boys in SPN and god that show's chock full of privilege and all kinds of fun sexist, racist, ableist, etc shit.

And lololol don't even get me started on Kingdom Hearts oh god. That franchise/fandom screwed me and my ficcing over so bad that ever since then I've been really sour and ready to bolt with every franchise/show/movie/game/fandom that threatened to really fuck with our heads. Which is why after a year and a half in SPN I quit. And why I spent three hours raging over something that doesn't necessarily have to be true anyway.

And really? Keeping Sam here in LA rather then shunted off to a boarding school is the only way for me and him to maintain that human touch. I can't see it any other way.

God, now I don't know if I can even write tonight. Fuck a duck.

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blowjobsalways March 25 2011, 02:17:22 UTC
Ahh now I understand.

Oh man, I've only seen like five eps of SPN. I liked it a lot, but I know if I met them in real life I would kinda of think they were GIANT DOUCHES. that has nothing to do with your point, but I felt like saying it :)

Then boom; Sam didn't go to boarding school. maybe for his protection they SAID he did when he really didn't

aww I hope you can. (and I'm sorry if that has anything to do with this convo) *pets your creative center*

And don't worry- there's a difference between venting and overreacting. :)

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shirozora March 25 2011, 02:33:20 UTC
God the boys really are giant douches. I mean, sure I can relate to Dean much better because of his strong sense of family and duty and all that shit but my favorite characters are all NOT Winchesters because they seem hella fun to hang out with IRL than the broody douchey boys.

Tbqh I really liked this conversation even if it did fuck with my head and probably made you just as freaked out (I'm sorry, I didn't mean to!). Kind of made me realize WHY I reacted so badly. I mean, a large part of it's the whole boarding school/academy bullshit that just reeks of rich white male privilege but really, reading the writeup for the boarding school made me realize that they were taking him away from SoCal and I just. No. No. Nononononononono.

Like, that horse in my icon? She's a SoCal legend and now she's in Kentucky and I understand why but it still breaks my heart. And I was okay with a large part of Iron Man 2 taking place in NYC because Tony's home base is still Malibu. And even if the Lakers/Dodgers suck balls I'll root for them.

LOL I should start my own shit that takes place in LA and it's not just about rich white airheads and RACIAL TENSION RACIAL TENSION RACIAL TENSION (thanks a bunch, Crash).

*hugs* Thanks for dealing with my shit, DD:

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blowjobsalways March 25 2011, 02:48:01 UTC
Ugh fucking Dean... you're hilarious but I'm pretty sure I'd hate you if we met. Cas would be my bff though. I'd take him shopping forever.

I liked this conversation too, don't worry. It's interesting to see such loyalty to one's hometown that I never had, nor will I ever really understand. I can name the three celebs from Ottawa (By the way, that's Matthew Perry, Dan Akroyd, and Paul Anka, who has a street named after him lol). None of them live here. None of them stayed here. No movies take place here. And Ottawa is never portrayed wrong because it's hardly portrayed at all except in South Park.

I wish I lived somewhere that inspired that much pride. You should start shit that takes place in L.A.! (and don't get me started on the white male privileged in Tron. I love the story enough to truly believe it was unintentional- but like- it did get to me a bit.)

No problemo :)

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shirozora March 25 2011, 02:56:43 UTC
I will seriously angel-marry Castiel (lol) and hang out with all the other characters because they ain't idjits and they don't have the kinds of dumbass hangups those codependent asshats have.

I don't think a lot of people actually do understand the fierce loyalty others have towards their home city/state. All these debates that raged over Zenyatta and what East Coast horses she was competing with for end of the year awards never seemed to get why the "Zealots" were so...zealous. And really, the only sportswriter that actually understood why we love her so much and wrote so many articles basically defending us got a lot of (polite) rage in return. It's the same thing with their defense of their East Coast horses and so many of them refuse to see that. It's fun, but also nerve-wracking.

I tend to compartmentalize when it comes to movies, shows, fandoms - I put white (male) privilege in its own special box because if I don't it'll just ruin every bit of fun I want to have. Fucking entertainment business refusing to step out of the fucking box. God.

...man, and last night I was talking rather happily about why I can write so easily from Dean W. and Sam F.'s POVs. Talk about mood whiplash, jfc.

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blowjobsalways March 25 2011, 03:28:51 UTC
It seems like it. But now that thing with the horses I can sort of identify with. Canadians do that with other Canadians- especially because most of us have to leave to make it. And I bet other people get annoyed that we always point out who "belongs" to us but- I mean it's because we love them, because there's only 30 million of us (about the population of New York State). So when one of us makes it and goes somewhere else, it's like a matter of pride that they came from the same place that we did.

I tend to compartmentalize when it comes to movies, shows, fandoms - I put white (male) privilege in its own special box

Yeah I do that too :( . I honestly think it's just echoes of earlier times. I just can't wait for the time when white stops being the norm, and the prominent storytellers no longer have to make a POINT to diversify their characters. I have faith that very soon that will go away. And hell, maybe the heteronormativity will fade a bit while we're at it!

Argh I know. I find there's always one person in every fandom you relate to and generally write with. It sucks when that changes.

And while this conversation is awesome, I'm getting a little sleepy. Mind if I call it a night?

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shirozora March 25 2011, 03:45:28 UTC
That kind of pride is also why I beam whenever Asian Americans, Pacific Islanders, and Koreans in general make waves anywhere, especially in the entertainment business.

The Last Airbender debacle is what really woke me up when it came to the Isms in movies (and other things). Like, there's this fabulous show where the world and all its characters are so distinctly Asian/Pacific Islander/First Nations and then M. Night. Shyamalan white-washed the HELL out of it. I never really got why white-washing enraged people so much until that moment, and now I'm never looking at the world the same way again. And I kinda like it.

It's been fabulous chatting about this with you, bb. Have a good sleep, :3

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