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precto October 18 2008, 17:40:18 UTC
I think people forget what Mary Sue means.

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shiroyuki_kun October 18 2008, 17:43:48 UTC
I thought Mary Sue meant "God modding self insert only made for the reason of the chicks wanting to shag the main characters".

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precto October 18 2008, 17:46:58 UTC
lol exactly. Most people just slap the term Mary Sue on characters they hate, when it fact, Mary Sues can never exist in canon. Only in fanon. Because if Mary Sues could exist in canon, every protagonist under the sun would be considered a Mary Sue.

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shiroyuki_kun October 18 2008, 17:59:55 UTC
Mostly "Mary Sue's" are just like...everyone that makes the "gay and/or bad-ass characters" not gay and/or bad-ass.

Like...Haruhi Fujioka.
Or...Tohru Honda.
Or...(insert shoujo protagonist's name here)
Or...Elise from Sonic '06
Or...that chick in Van Hellsing
Or...(Insert RPG female protagonist name here)

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precto October 18 2008, 18:02:52 UTC
But they aren't Mary Sues. Maybe in the now warped definition, yes. But in true terms, Mary Sues don't exist in canon because they need to be who they are to make the story continue.

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shiroyuki_kun October 18 2008, 18:04:15 UTC
Exactly.
EXACTLY!
People are ignoring the "Self insert" part of the definition.

RINOA IS NOT A MARY SUE, FUCK DAMNIT!

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random_angelic October 18 2008, 18:10:08 UTC
Nope. Rinoa is just a badly-written character who had a lot of potential in a game that had a lot of potential but was also badly written in my opinion.

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shiroyuki_kun October 18 2008, 18:11:28 UTC
...I LIKED 8. It was the first one I PLAYED KTHX.

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shiroyuki_kun October 18 2008, 18:11:53 UTC
DO NOT TRY TO SAY MY CHILDHOOD SUCKED!

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random_angelic October 18 2008, 18:13:20 UTC
Oh no. I liked it, too. It's just that when I try to look at it from an objective perspective... yeah, the storyline could've been better and there was wasted potential there. I wouldn't change a thing about it, though.

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shiroyuki_kun October 18 2008, 18:14:33 UTC
Ok good 8D

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random_angelic October 18 2008, 18:16:08 UTC
You're allowed to like a game and admit it has flaws, you know.

Which is the thing most RAWR!fandoms don't get.

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shiroyuki_kun October 18 2008, 18:19:34 UTC
But...I didn't see any flaws in it. All I saw was "DUDE THAT SWORD IS A GUN, THAT AWESOME!" "YOU CAN BE BAD ASS AND STILL HAVE A SWEET SIDE AND A CHICK THAT'S AWESOME!" "NOT HAVING TO BUY MAGIC!? AWESOME!"

Also you know how really pissed I was when I played FF8, then played FF7 and learned I had to BUY my powers? That...was really...really...really GAY!

I say Square needs to bring back DRAW POINTS. So you can waste your money on EQUIPMENT INSTEAD.

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shiroyuki_kun October 18 2008, 18:19:50 UTC
I played this when I was 12 btw.

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random_angelic October 18 2008, 18:28:19 UTC
Understandable. I didn't get into RPGs (unless you count Zelda) until I was about 18/19. I was an adventure/platformer girl until then. Still am, actually. That's why I like games like KH and Drakengard and Zelda--you get to actually hit things!

I thought the same things about the game, too. But while I thought Rinoa was an awesome character some things just felt kind of forced and it felt like there was so much they could've done with her character to make it a better game. Same thing with Seifer. I would've loved to see him get a bit more "screen time" or development or something! Or, hell! I wanted to see Edea and Cid and Ultimecia herself expanded on. There's a lot there they could've done with in the game, but didn't.

Not that I want a Compilation of Final Fantasy VIII. I think they're overdoing it with VII as it is. Two or three things would've been fine, but how much retconning have they done now?!

And the battle system was awesome. I couldn't play FF7 after that one. I really couldn't. It was just much too boring for me.

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shiroyuki_kun October 18 2008, 18:32:18 UTC
The only reason I play RPG's, prefer RPG's, is because the only platformer and action adventure game I can play is KIRBY because my reflexes SUCK.

MGS I, failed horribly..on the first room.
Rouge Trip, failure
Spyro, FAIL
Crash Bandicoot, FAIL

So I just looked at FF8 and said "Alright fuck it, let's try it"

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