Capitalism != Natural
What evidence do we have of people acting greedy or self-centered to be "natural"?
None.
That argument is purely rhetorical. Many people around the world before being introduced to capitalist systems have often existed for millenia in collectivist systems. People aren't naturally selfish or greedy, society has allowed and encouraged this behavior. Take away any vestage of the system, and the number of inherently "greedy" people will be signifcantly reduced. Yet that would be difficult to do today, since nearly every country in the world (including so-called, socialist nations) are dominated by people used to living in a capitalist-dominated world society.
Socialism, by the way, has neither a 0 nor 100% success rate. It has never been truly implemented in any country. USSR was a state-capitalist dictatorship, as was the PRC in its early days (I don't even have a clue what to call it today), and the PROK is simply run by a paternal dictator without any regard for his people.
Name any communist/socialist nation, with very few exceptions, and you'll see the attempt at creating any socialist state was abandoned very early in the process.
Now, there is a difference between change coming from violent revolutions, and those from non-violent revolutions and democratic change. Sweden is not socialist, but it's closer than most countries, and it's very successful and democratic. That's success. Venezuela is in a similar state, and despite the large opposition from the upper and middle classes (a small percentage of the total population), also proceeding to create a socialist state through a democratic system. Again, success. Most of the East and South Asian nations have achieved economic success through using the state to lead the economies. Planning works, if done correctly.
Socialism works, but it needs to be done right, or capitalist systems or dictatorships will hijack the changes. Capitalism is the same way, only it's much easier to make people take advantage of others... it's profitable, AND it's a requisite to make the system work.
None.
That argument is purely rhetorical. Many people around the world before being introduced to capitalist systems have often existed for millenia in collectivist systems. People aren't naturally selfish or greedy, society has allowed and encouraged this behavior. Take away any vestage of the system, and the number of inherently "greedy" people will be signifcantly reduced. Yet that would be difficult to do today, since nearly every country in the world (including so-called, socialist nations) are dominated by people used to living in a capitalist-dominated world society.
Socialism, by the way, has neither a 0 nor 100% success rate. It has never been truly implemented in any country. USSR was a state-capitalist dictatorship, as was the PRC in its early days (I don't even have a clue what to call it today), and the PROK is simply run by a paternal dictator without any regard for his people.
Name any communist/socialist nation, with very few exceptions, and you'll see the attempt at creating any socialist state was abandoned very early in the process.
Now, there is a difference between change coming from violent revolutions, and those from non-violent revolutions and democratic change. Sweden is not socialist, but it's closer than most countries, and it's very successful and democratic. That's success. Venezuela is in a similar state, and despite the large opposition from the upper and middle classes (a small percentage of the total population), also proceeding to create a socialist state through a democratic system. Again, success. Most of the East and South Asian nations have achieved economic success through using the state to lead the economies. Planning works, if done correctly.
Socialism works, but it needs to be done right, or capitalist systems or dictatorships will hijack the changes. Capitalism is the same way, only it's much easier to make people take advantage of others... it's profitable, AND it's a requisite to make the system work.