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We respectfully disagree. It is just as much a neglect of walking in the footsteps of Yahshua, as his disciple, to lack empowerment by the Holy Spirit to do the type of works he did, as it is to be willful instead of submitting to the revealed will of YHWH in Scripture. Both are types of lawlessness.
Most people who have gone into the movements this website targets the people of, end up having the Law of Moses become a stumbling block for them. You get two stuck on legal operation of commandments, rather than the overall meaning and point they lead us to. The New Testament unveils what was veiled in the Law of Moses. Knowing and doing the commandments of the Law of Moses does not make one right with YHWH, as seen in the New Testament. However, the One the Law of Moses and the Prophets point us to, Messiah, does make us righteous. The Law must be honored for its purpose, but not stumbled over. The Light that is Messiah is the only way we can keep from stumbling.
The whole point of all Scripture is for men to come back to a personal relationship with YHWH, as Adam had walking in the garden. This relationship can be compared to a husband and wife or a parent and child. It is even referred to at another level by Yahshua as a friendship, such as Abraham is also said to have had. This relationship is lawfulness. Not accepting this relationship and the Way given for it, is lawlessness. All of the writings of Moses and the Prophets are about this, only veiled. It is now unveiled to us in the new covenant.
My point here is primarily that we are to come into relationship with YHWH through Messiah, and be his disciples. This is a process. To submit to this process of discipleship is lawful. To not submit is unlawful. As we submit, if we truly are, which cannot be told by seeing if someone outwardly keeps commandments, as even religious Pharisee types can do that quite well, we will become more like Messiah. As we become more like him, it logically follows we will love like he loved and walk in power as witnesses as he led the way to walk in power on earth.
Legalism is a good excuse for Pharisees to make people and self think they are righteous, while they really are not. Those who love others like Yahshua and walk in supernatural power are the ones who have both proofs showing that an inward change, a new creature in Messiah, has led to fruit for the Kingdom. These are the true branches that will remain. Selah.
With love in Messiah,
David
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I did not say any such thing. I quoted Scripture in Matthew that said there will be MANY that Yahshua will tell 'I never knew you' to those that work iniquity or lawlessness even though they were casting out demons, healing, etc. That is a fact from the Scriptures out the the mouth of the one that we consider to be our Master. Are you saying that he will not say these things to those people? I then asked you for specifics of what this 'lawlessness' entails (in detail).
David: '...It is just as much a neglect of walking in the footsteps of Yahshua, as his disciple, to lack empowerment by the Holy Spirit to do the type of works he did, as it is to be willful instead of submitting to the revealed will of YHWH in Scripture. Both are types of lawlessness.'
I totally agree that BOTH should be done. Have I said anything different? I think you might want to go back and re read what I have actually written, because you seem to be turning my statements and questions into something by the 'Sacred Name Group'. I understand the things you are saying, I have perceived many of the concerns you have brought up...but I have not said those things.
David: 'Most people who have gone into the movements this website targets the people of, end up having the Law of Moses become a stumbling block for them. You get two stuck on legal operation of commandments, rather than the overall meaning and point they lead us to.'
A lot of people in the 'Sacred Name Movement' came out of Modern Day Christianity and found out that how they had been brought up to worship the Most High and His Son the Messiah was in error. They had been told that 'The Law' had been done away with and they did not realize they had been performing Pagan rituals instead of the True way to Worship and Commune with the Creator. Besides that they find out that through traditions of men they do not have the correct names and titles for the ones that they so earnestly want to love and follow. They then start gathering together and doing what they think is correct and pleasing to Him. There is definitely a learning curve in what is applicable in the instructions...and much help is needed to bring the good intentions to fruit.
Most in the Sacred Name/Torah groups are still in the wilderness...but most in Modern Christianity have not come out of Egypt yet. They have not even been given the law (on tablets) yet...they are still worshiping a 'golden calf'.
(I will continue in the next post)
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So, whether works of the law or works of faith, they become meaningless in the eternal scheme of things if the personal relationship with YHWH is lacking. That is what he wants, and that is why I said all of Scripture is about that - pointing people to Messiah, the only way to the proper relationship with the Father.
Please understand, I've been trying to explain our viewpoint, not put you on the defensive. So, no need to say, "I didn't say," statements. I'm not trying to oppose you - though it may seem like it to clarify my points.
I believe you are mistaken about Christians. Any believer born of the Holy Spirit, having faith in Messiah of Scripture, regardless of pronunciation of names and titles in their language, is a new creation in Messiah, and thus free from spiritual Egypt.
Jesus is not the god of Egypt or a god of Egypt. One simple proof of this is the fact that the world hates that name, by any pronunciation. Demons respond to that pronunciation and so does the world. That is why you are welcome to pray at a national event in this country on camera in any other name but the name of Jesus. If you pray in the name of Jesus, it ruffles feathers and people of the world cry foul and say, "Don't pray in that name any more," just as the Sanhedrin told the Apostles.
Contrary to SN opinions, Christians are not worshiping a false god or christ. Yes, there are people labeled Christians who don't really know Christ and so aren't really a new creation in Christ. There are those who worship self or other things but call themselves Christians. There are also a lot of SN'ers without a genuine relationship having become new creatures. Many are just like many Christians, the same old carnal person with a new exterior (white-washed).
You are missing what the type and shadow of Israel going from Egypt to wilderness to promise land actually points forward to. I'll explain this further in the next response.
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The crossing of the Sea speaks of water and Spirit baptism. The water of the Sea speaks forward of believer's immersion in water in the new covenant. Passing through the cloud of fire when they passed through the Sea represents the baptism with the Holy Spirit and fire.
The wilderness journey represents what every believer (regardless of sect/denomination, whether Baptist or Sacred Namer) must go through as they MATURE IN MESSIAH. It is a place of TESTING AND TRIAL.
The letter of the law given through Moses was given because of Israel's carnality, stubbornness, and lack of desire for a personal relationship with YHWH, each one having their own relationship with the Shepherd. They did not want to hear him or know him, but asked for Moses to be their mediator. They got their request.
The NT calls them the slave child of the slave woman. NT believers are called free children of the free woman, who are not bound, or in bondage to, the law. That does not mean the law is done away with or abolished - it still serves its intended purpose.
One part of the test for every believer in the wilderness is whether they will draw night to YHWH in personal relationship, even though he is not safe and can be scary to approach in his greatness and power (he is good but not safe, especially not safe to the flesh), or whether they'd rather be given letters from him that tell them what to do through a mediator (Moses). That is, they have the choice, YHWH or Moses. They chose Moses, because he seemed safe, and their flesh did not want to know YHWH or be near him.
As the NT, he who lives by the law will be judged by it. And he who breaks even one point will be guilty of it all. It is a harsh taskmaster and those in bondage to it are slave children of the slave woman.
Those who are a new generation, who go into the fulfillment of the promises, are children of faith. They are considered righteous because of faith, while the ones who die in the wilderness are displeasing to YHWH regardless of their obedience to the taskmaster of the law, because they are full of unbelief. He lets them die in the wilderness because of their unbelief, in addition to the penalties of death they pay for disobeying their taskmaster.
Those who begin to walk in faith in the wilderness, and draw nigh to YHWH trusting him who is love, though not safe, will begin to experience heaven in them - the Kingdom in them. Once this is fully realized and they are resurrected, they will be in the next age, in the promises fully, the Messianic Kingdom reigning over all the earth, taking over the nations. On another level, each believer faces giants now of fear, doubt, and unbelief, and must take territory to realize the promises of faith manifest in this life time. We fight to take territory from the enemy. Only people of faith do this, by the power of the Spirit. Legalists do not. They will always get stuck in the wilderness and die.
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The law is good. But, one of its purposes is to condemn mankind (all mankind, since all have sinned and come up short). In this manner it acts evil towards men. Because of this, Satan uses it to accuse and condemn, to keep men separated from YHWH. He uses it in this way as the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, and he tempts men to partake in its fruit. When they eat it, it produces death.
This is why I promote establishing the law by faith, and not abolishing it, and leaving it there for its purpose. But, its purpose is not to make men righteous and save them, giving them everlasting life. The letter of the law, even the 10 commandments, cannot do that. They are unable. They are the ministry of death, not the ministry of life.
When you realize this one day, you will find yourself able to fully partake in the liberty in Messiah and Life he offers. That does not mean you'll then want to go murder, because you don't have to obey "thou shalt not murder." Those who fear the message of liberty because they think it will make men more lawless haven't arrived at faith yet, nor love. Faith and love foresee better things, and realize that the Gospel of liberty in Messiah will not produce lawless people, just as it did not in the nations who have been primarily Christian, which are the most lawful nations on the earth.
If you want to see true lawlessness, go to third world pagan nations for a while and look at the chaos and lawlessness that reigns there, compared to countries like this one.
The U.S. has more people in prison punishing them for crimes than any other country. Not because there are more criminals, but because there has always been a very strong sense of law and order here. Why? This nation was founded by Christians who understood another purpose of the moral law in Scripture - to govern the flesh of men in a nation. It was given to national Israel, not an individual, and it is good for governing nations. Thus, our nation adopted policies very similar to those of the law to Israel, to govern America.
In a religious manner being used, legalistically, the law simply ministers death, not Life. Just as the American legal system can only punish criminals and not give Life to anyone.
2Co 3:6-8 AMP [It is He] Who has qualified us [making us to be fit and worthy and sufficient] as ministers and dispensers of a new covenant [of salvation through Christ], not [ministers] of the letter (of legally written code) but of the Spirit; for the code [of the Law] kills, but the [Holy] Spirit makes alive. [Jer. 31:31.] (7) Now if the dispensation of death engraved in letters on stone [the ministration of the Law], was inaugurated with such glory and splendor that the Israelites were not able to look steadily at the face of Moses because of its brilliance, [a glory] that was to fade and pass away, [Exod. 34:29-35.] (8) Why should not the dispensation of the Spirit [this spiritual ministry whose task it is to cause men to obtain and be governed by the Holy Spirit] be attended with much greater and more splendid glory?
Come over into the ministration of the Spirit, where there is greater glory, and which can actually impart Life to us. You'll still uphold and establish the law by faith, for its proper purposes. This is the right way, and you'll find it more glorious. Many Christians are stuck in letter religion too, which is still just ministration of law, whether they modify the original law or not.
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Some of it not all of it. Also knowing what you mean by the Law of Moses makes a big difference. The Law of the Two Tablets inside the Most Holy Place and the Law of Moses or the Book of the Law are two different things and have two different purposes.
David: 'Knowing and doing the commandments of the Law of Moses does not make one right with YHWH, as seen in the New Testament.'
No it does not.
David: 'However, the One the Law of Moses and the Prophets point us to, Messiah, does make us righteous.
Yes, Messiah does...but how? By writing His Law on our hearts...by circumcising our hearts. There is a difference between the Law of Moses and the Law on the Tablets. The Law of Moses was written in a 'Book of the Law' put on the SIDE of the Ark while the two Tablets were placed INSIDE of the Ark and placed IN the Most Holy Place. It seems to me that Messiah will be judging by the Law on the Tablets as he has shown us the example of how it is to be implemented.
David: 'The Light that is Messiah is the only way we can keep from stumbling.'
Yes...as it is the light that was to light up the Law on the Tablets. In Mat. 5 and on we see Yahshua explaining the difference when he says 'you have heard it said, but I tell you...'
David: 'The whole point of all Scripture is for men to come back to a personal relationship with YHWH..'
I can not agree that it is the whole point, but the Scriptures include the manual of how for those that want to. The big question is in what ways does YHWH tell us to do this?
I could go on and on commenting on your responses, but it seems to be missing the whole point of my questions. So I am going to make a comment on your last journal entry and I will share what I believe. Then we can see how close we are.
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We do not condone any doing away with any of the Law, whether the "10 commandments" or any other portion given to men through the ministry of Moses. By faith we establish the Law. But, we do believe there is right context to put it in so the true purpose is useful, and not a false purpose of legalistic righteousness without the Blood.
We agree that every man will be judged according to his works, and any believers being disobedient in their personal relationship with YHWH will suffer discipline for such, with the chastisement being for their good, with all believers being brought into the perfection of Messiah one day.
Disobedience to commandments brings chastisement, not being lost forever, as some wrongly think.
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Here is where the big difference amoung those that proclaim to follow Messiah. Some think that everything that was ever written is still valid to be followed and ignore that there were things that were added because of transgressions until the seed should come. There are others that believe that now we have the 'Law of Christ' though when asked to expound on that law and to actually put down what that law is, they fall very short. And then we have those that think the law has been 'Nailed to the Cross' and it does not matter what they do 'Jesus' has paid the penalty for their sins and they will be 'saved' no matter how they act.
I do not know about the 'lost forever' mentality. I do know that YHWH says in Rev.22:15 that dogs, sorcers, whoremongers, murders, idolators, and liers will be outside the Kingdom. Whatever way you want to put it...I do not want to be kept outside...I want to enter into the city through the gates.
It also says in v.14 that those that keeps the commandments of YHWH will then have the right to the tree of life. The tree of life is not available until that time...only those keeping the commandments will have the opportunity to the tree of life and live forever. Seems pretty clear to me from the words of my Master.
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Once in, it is the individuals responsibility to develop their relationship with YHWH and respond appropriately to the Law he writes on their inward parts. This is a supernatural covenant, not a covenant of the outward letter kept by obligation or force in the flesh. That former covenant could not make anyone a new creation in Messiah with everlasting Life, being a citizen of the heavenly Kingdom and begotten child of YHWH.
Thus, my family is very lawful and I both exemplify and proclaim lawfulness. It is simply that our new covenant lawfulness is to come from within, as put there by YHWH himself in the inward man. As one develops spiritually, that increases and we look more and more like Messiah.
No believer in Messiah, born of the Spirit, is any of those things mentioned in Rev 22:15, even if the flesh still struggles with some of the old sinfulness, as Paul mentioned doing the very things he hated, and asking who would deliver him from the flesh. The answer is Yahshua haMashiach our Master. Keeping the letter of the law by outward legal obligation, forced subjection, does not accomplish this, as we see with the religious Jews in the days of Yahshua's ministry before his death, burial and resurrection.
If we disagree on this subject, we disagree. I have no desire to try to convince you of anything. I will continue to make the primary focus of most of my posts on here and elsewhere to be about developing proper relationship with YHWH and growing spiritually in faith, hope, and love. This benefits every believer, regardless of our disagreements on other details.
Shalom,
David
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We are only look for people to minister to who will receive freely of what we offer spiritually. We only want donations if a person is cheerful about giving to the work of YHWH through our ministries. We are confident that YHWH will always provide all of the ministry needs on time, and put it on the right hearts to give, who will do so.
Whether you want to donate to the ministry or not, I will continue to be available to answer questions and we hope the posts I make help your spiritual growth and increase of faith to be more than a conqueror in Messiah our Master.
Blessings in his name,
David
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We really started by having communication on many different subjects and me asking questions. You put up a post asking for a donation if 'this ministry' helped 'you'. Since I am the only one that has been making comments and several of your lasts posts had to do with answering and clarifying certain things...I can only assume you were mainly addressing me. I needed more information about the 'other arm' of the ministry because it is vastly different than what is written here. I am responsible for the resources that YHWH gives to me. So since you brought up donating, it brought to the forefront in finding out critical information about the other ministry. I personally was only there that one time to read what it was about. It would not be a place that I would use for spiritual growth. This website I am comfortable with.
So, at this time there are two areas that I would feel comfortable in giving. The first is to you personally as a brother in Messiah. If there is a personal need for funds for you or your family (food, drink, shelter, clothing, etc.) (Mt 25: 34+) please let me know. I consider you my brother in Messiah and would help you if needed. The second area would be with this website that is targeted at those that realize the importance of the name and the instructions of YHWH and the words of Yahshua, but do not have the understanding to maximize the relationship with YHWH. I have no idea what the expenses are to keep this site up and running or anything else that you do in this area.
If there is need for funds in these two areas please let me know. How much is need and for what. Maybe if I can not send all that is needed, someone else that is reading this site might contribute the rest. And yes, I am a happy giver to the brothers in Messiah in need.
YHWH Bless you and yours,
Steve
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I am not certain of how many people still read this LJ. I'm not sure if there is a way to embed a stats tracker on here or not. What I do know is that dozens have contacted me who told me they check at least semi-regularly for updates and appreciate this journal. It is possible some of them no longer visit here to read, and possible new people have found it and check it regularly. I really don't know, but my hope when posting the donation post was that there are at least several people who still read this site. Most readers never comment, in my experience, but sometimes they'll email me to say, "I get good stuff out of what you write, keep it up."
All of our basic needs are taken care of, to survive bodily. The invitation to give was so we can expand our ministry. Our current ministry needs are also met already by the funds we have. Expansion is our goal and why we would gladly receive additional funding.
Concerning my own family, ministry aside, I am returning to school soon to finish my education. I have some credits but did not finish because back then the school I was attending raised tuition. Before the price hike I had scholarships and loans covering it all, but I was unable at that time to come up with the additional cost by the deadline, and was forced to drop out. I am now in a better situation to be able to return to school here locally and get grants to cover much of the tuition. How much will be left that I must pay to attend I don't know exactly right now, but from estimates I've already worked on, if I get the max grants, there will still be several thousand dollars I must come up with.
This is important to us because the goal is to have a profession, like Paul did, and be a bi-vocational minister, rather than one who is fully dependent on donations for personal needs. My wife and I want ministry donations including our own to go back into the work of the Gospel of the Kingdom. We want the work of my hands to provide our personal needs. In under 2 years I can complete a professional degree in the health/medicine field. This will also open doors for missions and ministry ops for us.
The other thing we could use an increase in finances for personally is to pay off debt. We are in the process of paying off my previous student loans and still have several thousand left to pay. We would of course like to pay such of ASAP, including some other minor debt, so we are in debt to no one but to love them. We are progressing toward this already, but the quicker the better.
I will admit that I am more comfortable asking for and accepting ministry donations than personal donations, but that is because of the flesh. I'll accept either.
YHWH bless you and yours as well!
David
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