Episode Discussion - 7.18 - The Mommy Observation

[galfridian]

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[jessicajason]

I really enjoyed the Sheldon/Mary/Howard plot line. I like how Howard seems to really be trying to nurture his friendship with Sheldon, whereas before his superpower was "to pretend to give a crap about [Sheldon's] piddly-ass problems."

What I liked a lot less was Stuart's assessment of L/P. When he said that they "make each other better" and that Penny brought Leonard "out of his shell" and he had made her start to think more deeply about things, all I could say was, "No, I think you're thinking of Sheldon and Penny." We've seen it since Season 1. I honestly shudder to think what these writers will do with three more seasons.

[shellsyke]

That's the problem I have with Stuart's assessment of Lenny as well. If the show has to tell us that Lenny makes each other better, I am concerned as to whether Lenny really make each other better when we haven't seen it as much.

[galfridian]

All the Chuck/Lorre productions seem guilty of this. Seems they'd rather tell us "X is so great" than show X doing...literally anything great. The thing is, I could probably like Leonard/Penny (not love, never actually ship, but accept) if they'd give us a little more depth with them.

[lightningbolt12]

Agree, they never shows us, why they're good for each other or why they should be together. I'll agree she helped him come out of his shell, but disagree with his assessment of Penny.

[lightningbolt12]

Kind of sad that a show has to tell you than show you.

[fercita]

The Golden rule "Show us what you tell us" is appropriate here.

Just because they say something through the characters doesn't make me buy it.

Leonard and Penny did have some great moment a long ago. Back when their conflict didn't smell like the writers were trying really hard to make us think they were meant to each other.

The worst thing you can do is to not let your character write itself. And then doing it a disservice by worsening them rather than make them grow.

I mean sure maybe Leonard become more outgoing (on the surface) and Penny started thinking deeper about the world (on the surface). I just don't see how that translates to the implications behind Stuart's words.