How the Relationship between Fraser and Vecchio mirrors that of Sherlock Holmes and Doctor Watson.

Mar 31, 2008 22:18


I was recently watching a documentary on Sherlock Holmes and it talked about how he and Doctor Watson were the basis for all partnership shows which have come after and I began thinking that possibly Due South comes the closest to matching the characteristics of the Holmes/Watson partnership. 
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Re: part 1 reply aingeal8c April 1 2008, 20:02:57 UTC
They are also both in the habit of flinging themselves down on the ground to examine it, which I'd also forgotten to mention, as well as there superior senses. They both have a good sense of smell, I'm not sure whether Holmes has a developed sense of hearing like Fraser does.

Oh yes. They are not averse to tasting things. And they do get right doen to examine things. And they are both expert at following footprints and recognising footprints.

I can't recall any instances of Holmes having extra sensative hearing but it would not surprise me.

I never thought of SLIR where he does successfully disguise himself as a female teacher.

I think that's proof that Fraser can do it when he puts his mind to it. Part of me thinks he played dumb in P&P because he wanted Ray's help.

But then Watson is careful to note that "it was not that he felt any emotion akin to love for Irene Adler"

True. I think perhaps they both fufil the role of woman nemesis though in wildy different ways.

Holmes does use a gun in the Hound of the Baskervilles to shoot at the hound at least

I had forgotten that. Exception rather than the rule.

I wonder if it's a case of Holmes worrying that he may not be able to shoot a person, whereas Watson being ex-army would presumably have done it before.

That makes a lot of sense. And I did forget that Holmes does do target practice indoors with a gun.

Nigel Bruce certainly wasn't playing the same character as was in Doyle's books.

Indeed.

However, he was the first actor playing Watson to get equal billing with the actor who was playing Holmes. Before that the character of Watson was a much smaller part. So if not for him who knows how long it would have taken before we got a good Watson. Would we have even had the excellent Granada TV series?

That is a good point. That is soemthing to be grateful for. I doubt the Granada series can be bettered.

Very true. What intellectual stimulation could they have gotten out of being friends with such a person. Especially Holmes who wouldn't put up with such a person for the sake of politeness.

Yes yoyu get the impression that Watson did help provide intellectual stimulation and certainly helped Holmes on his cases. And the same is true with Fraser and Ray - they bounce theories off each other.

It strikes me that Fraser met Ray at a turning point in his life, he could either go one way or the other.

Yes and fortunately it went the right way, because of Fraser mainly.

Vecchio and Watson were both suffering from a lack of self worth which Fraser and Holmes were able to instill in them through working together.

That's a perfect way of putting it. I agree.

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Re: part 1 reply sharon28 April 1 2008, 21:19:53 UTC
Part of me thinks he played dumb in P&P because he wanted Ray's help.

Possibly, if that's the one where Elaine tells him something like "You're good" as he's following Ray out the door.

And I did forget that Holmes does do target practice indoors with a gun.

I think that was meant to have been during a bought of mental instability or manic depression. I don't believe that Fraser suffers from any manic depression (I would think that would be frowned upon in the police force) of course he also isn't exactly the most sane of people since he needs to ask his father who has just appeared to him as a ghost if there's any insanity in their family. It also seems to have been something which ran in their family at least going by Uncle Tiberius and his fondness for cabbage leaves. I'm sure there are other examples which demonstrate his questionable mental state other than Dead Bob (which isn't really a mental problem if the ghost is real), but that's the only one I can think of at the moment.

I doubt the Granada series can be bettered.

It's rather unfortunate that they weren't able to complete all of the canon.

yoyu get the impression that Watson did help provide intellectual stimulation and certainly helped Holmes on his cases.

I think Holmes has told him so on a number of occasions.

fortunately it went the right way, because of Fraser mainly.

He was fortunate to meet him at that time. In one of my abandoned fics I was writing a situation whereby someone (possibly Dead Bob) was showing Fraser what would have happened if he'd went with Victoria the first time around when he was tracking her. I believe I had Ray losing his job due to the internal investigations thing. I eventually gave up on it (as most likely it was too depressing) but a similar fic has most likely been already written somewhere anyway.

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Re: part 1 reply aingeal8c April 1 2008, 21:55:23 UTC
Possibly, if that's the one where Elaine tells him something like "You're good" as he's following Ray out the door.

That's the one.

I think that was meant to have been during a bought of mental instability or manic depression.

Ah yes that's it. Not the most sane of actions.

I don't believe that Fraser suffers from any manic depression (I would think that would be frowned upon in the police force) of course he also isn't exactly the most sane of people

Well he did manage to get himself commited by telling the truth.

It's rather unfortunate that they weren't able to complete all of the canon.

Indeed and that toward the end they had to deviate from it more and more.

I think Holmes has told him so on a number of occasions.

Yes, he did.

He was fortunate to meet him at that time. In one of my abandoned fics I was writing a situation whereby someone (possibly Dead Bob) was showing Fraser what would have happened if he'd went with Victoria the first time around

That's a very interesting idea. I don't think I've read anything like that. It's a reasonable hypothesis from canon, though yes it would be depressing. But interesting.

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Re: part 1 reply sharon28 April 2 2008, 20:23:41 UTC
Indeed and that toward the end they had to deviate from it more and more.

They also felt the need to stretch some of the stories to 2 hours. The only shows they should have been doing this with is the full length novels. The short stories were just too short to do this with.

That's a very interesting idea. I don't think I've read anything like that. It's a reasonable hypothesis from canon, though yes it would be depressing.

I've just found the file on my computer, I don't actually seem to have gotten far enough to tell the story, it just remains a bit of dialogue between Fraser and Dead Bob leading that way. If you want I can post the dialogue I've got. I found it kind of amusing but that's probably because I've nicked the best bits from canon to get Dead Bob to sound right. I hadn't even told the depressing part at that point, it must have just been that I was depressed at having given in to writing which always seems like too much hard work, to me anyway:)

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Re: part 1 reply aingeal8c April 2 2008, 21:04:12 UTC
They also felt the need to stretch some of the stories to 2 hours. The only shows they should have been doing this with is the full length novels. The short stories were just too short to do this with.

Yes, I agree. The Sussex Vampire is one that springs to mind as being too long at two hours. Fifty minutes was perfect for the shorter stories.

If you want I can post the dialogue I've got.

I would appreciate it. I nick bits from canon all the time ;-) It works out better that way.

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Re: part 1 reply sharon28 April 2 2008, 21:41:23 UTC
I would appreciate it.

I've posted it here:

http://sharon28.livejournal.com/45804.html#cutid1

This post is getting way too long to start putting snippets in it as well*G*

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Re: part 1 reply aingeal8c April 3 2008, 08:12:03 UTC
Hee hee very nice snippets though :-)

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Re: part 1 reply sharon28 April 4 2008, 18:59:11 UTC
Thank you:)

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