Hmm, well, that definitely doesn't sound like R/Hr. Their fighting was mostly insulting each other and their personalities clashing. Ron had lots of insecurities, but his fighting with Hermione was hardly based around those. And Hermione insulted because she took offense to what Ron said! And yeah, Molly does sound like Ginny, especially in the barely acknowledgment.
Definitely agree. It might also be that some people just don't know how to write romance and it's easier to make hero/fangirl pairings because there's not a whole lot of depth to them. Unlike a H/Hr-like pairing where Hermione is constantly helping Harry and actually contributes to the plot, a fangirl can just be a background character and the writer doesn't have to develop her at all. And of course, a pairing that doesn't develop...doesn't always work out well for the hero.
Well, it's hard to find a pairing for Sirius because the only girl I can think of that he interacts with is Hermione and well, I'm so not going there! :p You have to go with crack pairings with him because there's really not any interaction with another girl. But it's got in my head, taking up residence and refuses to be evicted! :p Heh, Sorry, Ginny, you've got to share Harry now because Rowling said so! :p
I've found a few H/Hr tumblrs, but either they don't update very often or they don't like the Ron and Ginny (and I like Book 1-5!Ginny) and bash them. I have found one that likes Ron/Luna and Neville/Ginny, but I haven't asked them what they think of Sirius/Marlene because it sounds like a weird question to ask. :(
Like, on the surface, I could see why Molly and Felicity are confused for Hermione-type characters, because they do help the hero with the plot, and they are intelligent in their own right. But Hermione is not the kind of character to help with the plot and then go back in the shadows, and she never once put Harry on pedestal per say. Like, she did obviously value him above Ron, and she held him to standards, but these expectations were based on knowing Harry, not knowing about Harry.
Molly developed a crush on the Sherlock she saw in the morgue, cool and mysterious. John lives with Sherlock, and sees a lot more of his low points and the real self he hide away in public. There's a great scene where John comments on Sherlock always wearing his collar up "to look cool", sort of like when Hermione commented on Harry's Boy Who Lived status in HBP. I was skimming through PS recently, and I had forgotten how incredibly whatever Hermione is about his fame. "Oh, I read about you in that and that book. Don't forget to put your robes on, we're almost there." And then he's any other student up until the troll incident.
Most importantly, a fangirl doesn't properly challenge the hero. They can do a weak imitation ("Lucky you!") but because they generally leave such a fleeting impression it's hard to take it seriously. They put the hero on this pedestal, idolizing them in such a way that any breach of their high standards make the hero a traitor in their eyes. A partner doesn't have the hero beholden to their standards in such a way, but does challenge them in the daily life. Hermione does what she thinks is best even if it'll make Harry hate her (it doesn't, but interesting how Ron took the security sweep of Harry's broom so freaking personal).
For Sirius, might I recommend considering same gendered alternatives? I forget how you feel about slash, but the one Sirius ship I ever saw/felt was Sirius/Remus. Of course, crack is fun too, if used responsibly. (Also, I'm just slightly hypocritical, because I do ship little-to-no-interaction pairings in Hetalia, but A) they're countries with real world potential for canon interaction and B) I did say the pairing had to be popular in the fandom to count as bread on bread and finally C) ok, I'm hypocritical, who are you, the hypocrisy police?)
Trust me, tumblr is made of worse anon questions. They'll probably be happy you aren't the umpteenth spam bot claiming to be studying their final year in college, and could you just help with this itty bitty favor? Or yet another "wait how can you ship Harry/Hermione if it didn't happen in the books?". Just word it politely, and I'm sure you'll be fine.
Still think that sounds like Ginny. She did a few things to help with the plot (well, sort of…nothing like Hermione did, of course). I’m guessing what Molly and Felicity did is much more like what Hermione did, instead of Ginny’s contribution, but still…helping out with the plot and fading to the background is more of a Ginny character instead of a Hermione character.
Yep, that sounds like Ginny except she didn’t even have to look at Harry. She just heard his name and went fangirl! :) She didn’t even recognize him when he first approached Mrs. Weasley and was only interested when she found out who he was! Hermione? Oh, you’re Harry Potter? You’re in such and such books, didn’t you know? Well, bye! *ignores him* XD Speaking of, when I was rereading the books, I noticed that Harry and Hermione hardly have any conversations together. It’s usually Ron and Hermione talking, especially the earlier books. That really weirded me out. Whenever they do, it’s usually related to the plot, but the majority of the talking is dominated by Ron and Hermione. Was that supposed to be a hint?
Exactly. That Lucky You scene is kind of silly. Ginny sat on her information entire time, not once going to Harry until Hermione joins them and she drags Harry to Ron and Ginny. Ginny didn’t even try. At least Ron tried! Not to mention, in the end, Ginny’s information turned out to be false, Harry ends up being possessed by Voldemort. His possession was just unique, nothing like how Ginny was possessed.
The broom incident is really a good example of the difference between Harry/Hermione and Ron/Hermione. With Harry, even through he’s angry, we get an admission that he knew Hermione had meant well. He understands it, but of course, he lets his anger get control of him because he wanted that Firebolt so much, finally got it and now it’s gone because of Hermione! When he gets it back, he’s all willing to patch things up, he doesn’t harbor a grudge against her for it! With Ron, we never see an admission that Hermione means well. Even when Harry says they should make up with Hermione (and he’s the one who suggests it, not Ron), Ron’s just “Yeah, all right,” nothing else. Even through Ron acted the worst during the whole fight!
I’m really not into slash, to be honest. And I never really felt anything for Sirius/Remus, either, even if I did. I felt like they were friends/brothers more than anything else. And Remus/Tonks has been growing on me, lately, too, especially once I tried to think of how it could be fixed and better written. But yeah, I know Sirius/Marlene is completely crack (well, they had to interact with each other given the picture, but still…we don’t see that, so crack). Some people try to use the letters in Book 7 as support for it, but that’s flimsy at best, especially since we don’t see Sirius write back! Also, apparently, the OOTP movie had Sirius show Harry the OOTP picture, instead of Moody and he only mentioned Frank and Alice Longbottom and Marlene McKinnon. I think that’s interesting, but still, not outright evidence. I would never go around and claim it has tons of evidence or it’s canon, semi-canon or anything like that. It’s more or less a crack ship and I’m okay with that! :) I just want to see a H/Hr viewpoint on Sirius/Marlene because all I've encountered if R/Hr and H/G for it. :(
I’ve actually asked used the anon feature a couple of times. And I always tried to word things just right, hoping I don’t come off as a crazy person. Sometimes, I hate rambling so much! T_T But I guess I could try it. I’ll just say I know it’s a crack ship, but my imagination helped create a liking to it and I’m curious to how H/Hr shippers would view it, especially in fanfic...if such fanfic can be found... *grumbles due to lack of fanfic*
If you're up for it, I know some new SW stuff that might be interesting: New comics that bridge ANH with ESB and that is supposed to align with the new canon SW Rebels, an all-CGI cartoon that follows a rag tag group fighting against the Empire (before ANH) and very slowly introducing the bigger rebellion (has some canon connections with the Clone Wars cartoon if that is knowledge of interest)
I was watching Rebels, but anything SW-related was stressing me out so much, I couldn't take it anymore, so I didn't get to season 2. :( It still does. Until I get more comfortable, that'll all have to wait. :(
Definitely agree. It might also be that some people just don't know how to write romance and it's easier to make hero/fangirl pairings because there's not a whole lot of depth to them. Unlike a H/Hr-like pairing where Hermione is constantly helping Harry and actually contributes to the plot, a fangirl can just be a background character and the writer doesn't have to develop her at all. And of course, a pairing that doesn't develop...doesn't always work out well for the hero.
Well, it's hard to find a pairing for Sirius because the only girl I can think of that he interacts with is Hermione and well, I'm so not going there! :p You have to go with crack pairings with him because there's really not any interaction with another girl. But it's got in my head, taking up residence and refuses to be evicted! :p Heh, Sorry, Ginny, you've got to share Harry now because Rowling said so! :p
I've found a few H/Hr tumblrs, but either they don't update very often or they don't like the Ron and Ginny (and I like Book 1-5!Ginny) and bash them. I have found one that likes Ron/Luna and Neville/Ginny, but I haven't asked them what they think of Sirius/Marlene because it sounds like a weird question to ask. :(
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Molly developed a crush on the Sherlock she saw in the morgue, cool and mysterious. John lives with Sherlock, and sees a lot more of his low points and the real self he hide away in public. There's a great scene where John comments on Sherlock always wearing his collar up "to look cool", sort of like when Hermione commented on Harry's Boy Who Lived status in HBP. I was skimming through PS recently, and I had forgotten how incredibly whatever Hermione is about his fame. "Oh, I read about you in that and that book. Don't forget to put your robes on, we're almost there." And then he's any other student up until the troll incident.
Most importantly, a fangirl doesn't properly challenge the hero. They can do a weak imitation ("Lucky you!") but because they generally leave such a fleeting impression it's hard to take it seriously. They put the hero on this pedestal, idolizing them in such a way that any breach of their high standards make the hero a traitor in their eyes. A partner doesn't have the hero beholden to their standards in such a way, but does challenge them in the daily life. Hermione does what she thinks is best even if it'll make Harry hate her (it doesn't, but interesting how Ron took the security sweep of Harry's broom so freaking personal).
For Sirius, might I recommend considering same gendered alternatives? I forget how you feel about slash, but the one Sirius ship I ever saw/felt was Sirius/Remus. Of course, crack is fun too, if used responsibly. (Also, I'm just slightly hypocritical, because I do ship little-to-no-interaction pairings in Hetalia, but A) they're countries with real world potential for canon interaction and B) I did say the pairing had to be popular in the fandom to count as bread on bread and finally C) ok, I'm hypocritical, who are you, the hypocrisy police?)
Trust me, tumblr is made of worse anon questions. They'll probably be happy you aren't the umpteenth spam bot claiming to be studying their final year in college, and could you just help with this itty bitty favor? Or yet another "wait how can you ship Harry/Hermione if it didn't happen in the books?". Just word it politely, and I'm sure you'll be fine.
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Yep, that sounds like Ginny except she didn’t even have to look at Harry. She just heard his name and went fangirl! :) She didn’t even recognize him when he first approached Mrs. Weasley and was only interested when she found out who he was! Hermione? Oh, you’re Harry Potter? You’re in such and such books, didn’t you know? Well, bye! *ignores him* XD Speaking of, when I was rereading the books, I noticed that Harry and Hermione hardly have any conversations together. It’s usually Ron and Hermione talking, especially the earlier books. That really weirded me out. Whenever they do, it’s usually related to the plot, but the majority of the talking is dominated by Ron and Hermione. Was that supposed to be a hint?
Exactly. That Lucky You scene is kind of silly. Ginny sat on her information entire time, not once going to Harry until Hermione joins them and she drags Harry to Ron and Ginny. Ginny didn’t even try. At least Ron tried! Not to mention, in the end, Ginny’s information turned out to be false, Harry ends up being possessed by Voldemort. His possession was just unique, nothing like how Ginny was possessed.
The broom incident is really a good example of the difference between Harry/Hermione and Ron/Hermione. With Harry, even through he’s angry, we get an admission that he knew Hermione had meant well. He understands it, but of course, he lets his anger get control of him because he wanted that Firebolt so much, finally got it and now it’s gone because of Hermione! When he gets it back, he’s all willing to patch things up, he doesn’t harbor a grudge against her for it! With Ron, we never see an admission that Hermione means well. Even when Harry says they should make up with Hermione (and he’s the one who suggests it, not Ron), Ron’s just “Yeah, all right,” nothing else. Even through Ron acted the worst during the whole fight!
I’m really not into slash, to be honest. And I never really felt anything for Sirius/Remus, either, even if I did. I felt like they were friends/brothers more than anything else. And Remus/Tonks has been growing on me, lately, too, especially once I tried to think of how it could be fixed and better written. But yeah, I know Sirius/Marlene is completely crack (well, they had to interact with each other given the picture, but still…we don’t see that, so crack). Some people try to use the letters in Book 7 as support for it, but that’s flimsy at best, especially since we don’t see Sirius write back! Also, apparently, the OOTP movie had Sirius show Harry the OOTP picture, instead of Moody and he only mentioned Frank and Alice Longbottom and Marlene McKinnon. I think that’s interesting, but still, not outright evidence. I would never go around and claim it has tons of evidence or it’s canon, semi-canon or anything like that. It’s more or less a crack ship and I’m okay with that! :) I just want to see a H/Hr viewpoint on Sirius/Marlene because all I've encountered if R/Hr and H/G for it. :(
I’ve actually asked used the anon feature a couple of times. And I always tried to word things just right, hoping I don’t come off as a crazy person. Sometimes, I hate rambling so much! T_T But I guess I could try it. I’ll just say I know it’s a crack ship, but my imagination helped create a liking to it and I’m curious to how H/Hr shippers would view it, especially in fanfic...if such fanfic can be found... *grumbles due to lack of fanfic*
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New comics that bridge ANH with ESB and that is supposed to align with the new canon
SW Rebels, an all-CGI cartoon that follows a rag tag group fighting against the Empire (before ANH) and very slowly introducing the bigger rebellion (has some canon connections with the Clone Wars cartoon if that is knowledge of interest)
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