interesting analysis of Dean
Basically, it breaks down, in an interesting way, why Dean behaves the way he does to Sam, and, because that's kinda the point of the post, Cas. It's about homophobia in SPN, and why Dean/Cas will never be explorable because of the way the characters are, but, it includes some pretty spot-on stuff about Dean's character in the midst of that, and how he is who he is because of his relationships with John and Sam.
I'm sure it's been expressed elsewhere throughout the years, but this one is pretty up-to-date, I think, and really darn accurate. It also explains why his dynamic/relationship with Cas in S6 was so different from before. For those who are wondering, it explains out that because Dean was placed in a feminized role growing up, he finds it difficult to connect to other men outside of family because he has no concept of "manly" love because he never received a proper father-son relationship. Because his position as John's partner and Sam's parent, he was, by default, the mother in the situation, which has lead to over-compensation on his part and an utter lack of respect for women(because he hates to constantly be reminded of what he was/is).
He tends to treat all relationships as family, which is easy with Bobby and Sam, because they have clearly defined roles. But Cas makes it confusing, and so, in S6, he reverts to treating Cas like a child. I won't try to spoil the whole analysis or explain it in my own words, because I can't do it all justice, but I completely recommend you read it if you're interested in Dean's relationship with Cas in S6 or a little bit of backstory of why Dean is Dean.
Personally, I disagree with some of the author's assumptions in the very end, because I have my own issues with the "Dean was wrong and needs to get off his high horse because Cas never did anything wrong and Dean needs to respect Cas" thing. And I don't fully like the final analysis of why this all makes Supernatural homophobic, because actions of a character are what make the character who they are, and that's what makes them interesting, and, it doesn't necessarily make the show that way. It is interesting that when someone mentions the very things I didn't like about the analysis to the author, they come back with a reply that remains sane and non-bitchy and explains why they said what they said in the first place and kinda expounds on it.
And now for the links;
Original post
Reply bringing up what this person(and I) didn't like about the original post
OP's reply to the second post
Something that the OP's reply made me think of; Evil!Cas, or the idea of Cas, the once-righteous angel, turning bad, or doing the wrong things for the right things. It's no secret that I adore twists that reveal my favorite characters to be in fact bad guys, or when a good guy goes bad. I was excited during the first mid-season finale of White Collar at the prospect that final scene brought up(you know the one; hotel room, Kate, and the ring). I was excited during the last episode of Sherlock's first season when Sherlock first sees John at the pool. The very first time I watched my first SPN episode, Lucifer Rising, when I saw one of the main characters, a good guy, or so I assumed from what I'd seen of fandom, when I saw Sam torture the demon and then kill Lilith, effectively going darkside, I thought, Wow, that's brave. That's exciting.. I was excited at the end of Mommy Dearest when we discovered what was going on. It may be a kink of mine. Check that, it probably is. But the fact is, I love it. I love it when good guys go bad, especially if they do the wrong things for the right reasons, if the road they take is the good-intentions path to hell. Which is why, even though my heart was breaking into a million little pieces on the floor, I was actually really excited during the latter half of S6 and 701.
And, I want to know where these stories are. Are writers too afraid to actually take their characters darkside and let them stay there? It's a bold more, it's hard to do, and it does alienate fanbase sometimes, but I think it's one of the coolest things I've seen. They don't even have to make the character permanently bad! They can include a redemption arc, 'cause those are awesome too. But, think about it. How often does that happen? I know it happened in Buffy at some point, right? I only know because I actually considered watching Buffy when I found out But where else does it happen? SPN? Kinda? It's a trope that I don't find enough, be it in shows or in fanfic. And that makes me sad, actually.
EVEN MY MUSIC IS RELEVANT, OMG. Seeing as Walk Away is about the speaker telling his girl to walk away because he's dangerous and will never let her get away from him if she stays, because he's found himself in a bad place. analyzed
But now that I'm inspired on the subject, I'm totally gonna go write that next-gen fic I have promised lunasky3.
ALSO I JUST REALIZED I STILL HAVE NOT SEEN THE DOCTOR WHO CHRISTMAS SPECIAL. And. I'm not too bothered. I guess I'll have to watch it at some point, though.
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I'm sure it's been expressed elsewhere throughout the years, but this one is pretty up-to-date, I think, and really darn accurate. It also explains why his dynamic/relationship with Cas in S6 was so different from before. For those who are wondering, it explains out that because Dean was placed in a feminized role growing up, he finds it difficult to connect to other men outside of family because he has no concept of "manly" love because he never received a proper father-son relationship. Because his position as John's partner and Sam's parent, he was, by default, the mother in the situation, which has lead to over-compensation on his part and an utter lack of respect for women(because he hates to constantly be reminded of what he was/is).
He tends to treat all relationships as family, which is easy with Bobby and Sam, because they have clearly defined roles. But Cas makes it confusing, and so, in S6, he reverts to treating Cas like a child. I won't try to spoil the whole analysis or explain it in my own words, because I can't do it all justice, but I completely recommend you read it if you're interested in Dean's relationship with Cas in S6 or a little bit of backstory of why Dean is Dean.
Personally, I disagree with some of the author's assumptions in the very end, because I have my own issues with the "Dean was wrong and needs to get off his high horse because Cas never did anything wrong and Dean needs to respect Cas" thing. And I don't fully like the final analysis of why this all makes Supernatural homophobic, because actions of a character are what make the character who they are, and that's what makes them interesting, and, it doesn't necessarily make the show that way. It is interesting that when someone mentions the very things I didn't like about the analysis to the author, they come back with a reply that remains sane and non-bitchy and explains why they said what they said in the first place and kinda expounds on it.
And now for the links;
Original post
Reply bringing up what this person(and I) didn't like about the original post
OP's reply to the second post
Something that the OP's reply made me think of; Evil!Cas, or the idea of Cas, the once-righteous angel, turning bad, or doing the wrong things for the right things. It's no secret that I adore twists that reveal my favorite characters to be in fact bad guys, or when a good guy goes bad. I was excited during the first mid-season finale of White Collar at the prospect that final scene brought up(you know the one; hotel room, Kate, and the ring). I was excited during the last episode of Sherlock's first season when Sherlock first sees John at the pool. The very first time I watched my first SPN episode, Lucifer Rising, when I saw one of the main characters, a good guy, or so I assumed from what I'd seen of fandom, when I saw Sam torture the demon and then kill Lilith, effectively going darkside, I thought, Wow, that's brave. That's exciting.. I was excited at the end of Mommy Dearest when we discovered what was going on. It may be a kink of mine. Check that, it probably is. But the fact is, I love it. I love it when good guys go bad, especially if they do the wrong things for the right reasons, if the road they take is the good-intentions path to hell. Which is why, even though my heart was breaking into a million little pieces on the floor, I was actually really excited during the latter half of S6 and 701.
And, I want to know where these stories are. Are writers too afraid to actually take their characters darkside and let them stay there? It's a bold more, it's hard to do, and it does alienate fanbase sometimes, but I think it's one of the coolest things I've seen. They don't even have to make the character permanently bad! They can include a redemption arc, 'cause those are awesome too. But, think about it. How often does that happen? I know it happened in Buffy at some point, right? I only know because I actually considered watching Buffy when I found out But where else does it happen? SPN? Kinda? It's a trope that I don't find enough, be it in shows or in fanfic. And that makes me sad, actually.
EVEN MY MUSIC IS RELEVANT, OMG. Seeing as Walk Away is about the speaker telling his girl to walk away because he's dangerous and will never let her get away from him if she stays, because he's found himself in a bad place. analyzed
But now that I'm inspired on the subject, I'm totally gonna go write that next-gen fic I have promised lunasky3.
ALSO I JUST REALIZED I STILL HAVE NOT SEEN THE DOCTOR WHO CHRISTMAS SPECIAL. And. I'm not too bothered. I guess I'll have to watch it at some point, though.
Originally posted on Dreamwidth: http://majorshipper.dreamwidth.org/137122.html |
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