I admit I don't have much to say on this subject, for three reasons: 1) August doesn't interest me that much because the only interesting thing he's done so far is steal and edit/mess with/make copies of Henry's book; 2) there's not enough evidence for even logical speculation, just wild speculation; 3) there are two plots from Fables and Jack of Fables that are kind of similar to what you're pitching and also to the vibe August is kind of giving out, and I can't think of anything but them. ):
Really, the only proof we have of anything regarding August is that he appears to know Emma (or thinks he knows Emma) in some way, which could mean any number of things, and that he has a crazy interest in Henry's book, which to me is a pretty insane jump and it's yet unproven whether he means good or ill with it (I assumed ill, but he seems pretty chill lately, so).
I already expressed my misgivings about the Pinocchio plot/characters. Fables made it so insanely badass that I can't wrap my brain around anything else. Which I guess is kind of sucky of me, but there it is. Part of me is going, "If Pinocchio is going to be part of this plot, he should have been forced to stay a boy forever! And his father is an EVIL MASTERMIND!"
I guess one thing that irritates me is that I don't see the storytelling value of using Pinocchio aside from a nod to the Disney film (and I suppose it doesn't have to be any more than that, in this show). Fables used the characters to their advantage and stretched them in unexpected directions from the Disney story. I mean, I haven't seen the movie in a while--what would you say the characters represent, what kinds of things could they bring to a story? Pinocchio's whole arc is that he basically has to learn to be human, right? Then he's rewarded by becoming human? What is his purpose when he's already human, and grown?
Much like with the use of the Disney seven dwarves, I have trouble seeing how Pinocchio translated to TV in what is supposed to be a show of moderate suspense can be anything but ridiculous. I have a lot of trouble getting on board with the Disney stories used on OUAT when they are not deviated from at all. (Example: Obviously Skin Deep was a great use of starting with the Disney story and then derailing it enough to be new and interesting and not just a rehash of the movie.)
So I guess I'm agreeing with you about the Pinocchio thing. The Baelfire idea is interesting, but I really have trouble wrapping my mind around anything that involves August being a fairytale character just because he is obviously outside of the curse/story and there haven't been any indicators of what he could be. All we know is that he knows Emma; he could be anyone!
He reminds me of Kevin Thorn of Fables/Jack of Fables fame, he who discovered the Fables, then tried to make others realize they existed only to have everyone think he was crazy, then eventually discovered he created them. (However that makes sense.)
So I guess given my background with fairy tale retellings, that's all I can see him as: an interested outsider who has a possible connection with Emma which enhances his interest. The leg cramp was really random and I can't think of anything to link it up with, unless he really is a fairy tale character that somehow escaped the curse and being in Storybrooke again is starting to take its toll on him...however THAT makes sense.
I could see how he could be the kid who found Emma on the side of the road, but again, we just don't have enough evidence yet! I have trouble speculating over something we don't even have a hint for.
Though obviously I will gladly discuss Rumple till the cows come home. And...Dreamworks for some reason. (It's fun to rant?)
Wait, what? When--huh? Who, August? I just wanted-- well, that would be pretty cool. Either August or maybe Dr. Whale, idk. But I just had the best idea ever which I love to pieces even though it's probably not going to be true. I am now convinced that August is the anthropomorphic personification of the book. Awesome, right? Yeah totally.
I'm sure we have both stopped caring about this post, but I was rereading it out of boredom and wanted to respond to part of it.
I totally agree that August being Pinocchio adds nothing to the story; I think you got the wrong idea with my attempt at discussion. Basically I read speculation online where people are obsessed with the Pinocchio thing and get annoyed and try to think it through sensibly, but I've never had the desire to join those threads and discuss with a bunch of idiots, so I try to discuss it with you.
ANYWAY.
If they'd done anything with Gepetto or Jiminy, it would be more plausible. But those two have barely done anything; there doesn't appear to be any point in linking August to them. It'd be like making him secretly related to Cinderella. There's no foreshadowing or foundations laid for a Pinocchio reveal. Those points I made above are literally the only things that seem plausible about it to me.
Baelfire, however? Rumple is important and fascinating, and depending on the circumstances his son could be deeply involved in whatever convoluted plotting he's got going on. He'd make a good pawn or a new player and I can see all kinds of possibilities.
Really, the only proof we have of anything regarding August is that he appears to know Emma (or thinks he knows Emma) in some way, which could mean any number of things, and that he has a crazy interest in Henry's book, which to me is a pretty insane jump and it's yet unproven whether he means good or ill with it (I assumed ill, but he seems pretty chill lately, so).
I already expressed my misgivings about the Pinocchio plot/characters. Fables made it so insanely badass that I can't wrap my brain around anything else. Which I guess is kind of sucky of me, but there it is. Part of me is going, "If Pinocchio is going to be part of this plot, he should have been forced to stay a boy forever! And his father is an EVIL MASTERMIND!"
I guess one thing that irritates me is that I don't see the storytelling value of using Pinocchio aside from a nod to the Disney film (and I suppose it doesn't have to be any more than that, in this show). Fables used the characters to their advantage and stretched them in unexpected directions from the Disney story. I mean, I haven't seen the movie in a while--what would you say the characters represent, what kinds of things could they bring to a story? Pinocchio's whole arc is that he basically has to learn to be human, right? Then he's rewarded by becoming human? What is his purpose when he's already human, and grown?
Much like with the use of the Disney seven dwarves, I have trouble seeing how Pinocchio translated to TV in what is supposed to be a show of moderate suspense can be anything but ridiculous. I have a lot of trouble getting on board with the Disney stories used on OUAT when they are not deviated from at all. (Example: Obviously Skin Deep was a great use of starting with the Disney story and then derailing it enough to be new and interesting and not just a rehash of the movie.)
So I guess I'm agreeing with you about the Pinocchio thing. The Baelfire idea is interesting, but I really have trouble wrapping my mind around anything that involves August being a fairytale character just because he is obviously outside of the curse/story and there haven't been any indicators of what he could be. All we know is that he knows Emma; he could be anyone!
He reminds me of Kevin Thorn of Fables/Jack of Fables fame, he who discovered the Fables, then tried to make others realize they existed only to have everyone think he was crazy, then eventually discovered he created them. (However that makes sense.)
So I guess given my background with fairy tale retellings, that's all I can see him as: an interested outsider who has a possible connection with Emma which enhances his interest. The leg cramp was really random and I can't think of anything to link it up with, unless he really is a fairy tale character that somehow escaped the curse and being in Storybrooke again is starting to take its toll on him...however THAT makes sense.
I could see how he could be the kid who found Emma on the side of the road, but again, we just don't have enough evidence yet! I have trouble speculating over something we don't even have a hint for.
Though obviously I will gladly discuss Rumple till the cows come home. And...Dreamworks for some reason. (It's fun to rant?)
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I totally agree that August being Pinocchio adds nothing to the story; I think you got the wrong idea with my attempt at discussion. Basically I read speculation online where people are obsessed with the Pinocchio thing and get annoyed and try to think it through sensibly, but I've never had the desire to join those threads and discuss with a bunch of idiots, so I try to discuss it with you.
ANYWAY.
If they'd done anything with Gepetto or Jiminy, it would be more plausible. But those two have barely done anything; there doesn't appear to be any point in linking August to them. It'd be like making him secretly related to Cinderella. There's no foreshadowing or foundations laid for a Pinocchio reveal. Those points I made above are literally the only things that seem plausible about it to me.
Baelfire, however? Rumple is important and fascinating, and depending on the circumstances his son could be deeply involved in whatever convoluted plotting he's got going on. He'd make a good pawn or a new player and I can see all kinds of possibilities.
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TODAY I TOTALLY CHANGED MY MIND LOL
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