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Mar 04, 2012 16:20

Some general thoughts and opinions for further discussion: (some things I said yesterday, but... you know, for posterity)

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seraya7 March 7 2012, 04:31:05 UTC
1. Yeah, Emma is kind of wishy-washy when it comes to Henry, but I think that's mostly in the early episodes? Not sure. It would be more interesting if they either interacted like a normal kid and adult, (you know, go to the park or go see a movie or something not involving talking about fairytales), or if Emma actually believed him instead of just indulging him.

2. I just hope the writers know he's not actually that charming, you know? Something like that would presumably be interesting; I just want him to stop acting like a 5-year-old going 'hur hur I know something you don't know!' ...wow, I really don't like him, do I? Dang.

3. They have not explained what happened between Regina and Snow. Regina says that Snow 'couldn't keep a secret' which 'ruined [Regina's] life'. Snow seems to agree with her to some extent, so it's not total BS. From the way they've been carefully handing out extremely tiny portions of hints on the subject, I assume this is something they're hanging on to for a finale or something. ETA: They also both seem to agree that this incident is the reason Regina doesn't have love in her life, and Regina has at various times heavily implied that her true love died. It still doesn't make sense yet.

4. ...I bet she does!

6. I'm not really sure what the extent of the curse is. It sent them to our world, stripped them of memories and gave them vague new ones, and trapped them in this town under Regina's control. It also has been continuously active, making new memories for David and possibly manufacturing a lot of the obstacles preventing him and Mary Margaret from getting together, all of which might or might not be stuff that Regina has to actively do. So far, the effects that Emma's had are starting time, happy endings without memories for Cinderella and Hansel and Gretel, full memories for Graham, and general prying people and the town out of Regina's control. Based on what we've seen so far, I really don't think that breaking the curse will send them back to the fairytale world. That might be a completely different problem to tackle. idk.

7. I was trying to think of non-wolf possibilities, because obviously if he is a werewolf in addition to being David Anders there will be no hope for me. Really, the only womanizing characteristics he's shown were staring at Ruby when on a date with Snow, being a bad date for Snow, and being a one-night stand with Snow. He did send her flowers after that. He also lied about David on Regina's request, or something to that effect, but he doesn't seem like a particularly bad guy on this show. IDK, we'll see. I should look up Six Swans.

8. Nah, I know he was probably written and killed off explicitly to prove that the stakes were high and will never really be mentioned again except in flashbacks, I just had the idea and am a little in love with it. Maybe I should write a fanfic about it or something. There's really no point in him coming back to life except maybe to say 'yeah, Henry's totally telling the truth, we're all fairytales and Regina is evil, you want proof, look how dead I'm not', which can all be better done with other characters. (PS I can't believe that! Shame on you, comics! How can you ever expect to tell a real, compelling story that is taken seriously if everyone comes back to life?)

9. Belle was not referred to as a princess. Her father was in a position of power and they obviously had money and social status, but they only ever mentioned having a village to protect, not a land or a kingdom. Her father might just be a mayor. Also, you forgot Midas' kingdom.

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seshathawk March 13 2012, 01:13:01 UTC
Well, I find I don't have much more to say in response.

My assumption was that Gold was talking strictly about nuns. Fairies never crossed my mind. It kind of implied a terrifying Catholic upbringing, which I thought was hilarious.

The Six (Seven?) Swans is this awesome story about a girl (princess?) with seven (or six) brothers and her evil stepmother turns them into swans. She can save them by weaving them shirts out of nettles, but she can't speak at all while she does it or they'll be stuck as swans forever. A random king happens by and decides to marry her. I don't remember if she was cool with it or not. Anyway, it's one of the rarely-done fairy tales, so of course I have a soft spot for it. Juliet Marillier wrote a nice novel version of it that I believe was called Daughter of the Forest.

Re: resurrecting characters: okay, somehow when I read that paragraph you wrote about it, it reminded me of how the witch in Stardust (movie, not book) reanimated Septimus' body to duel with Tristan. That is probably my favorite scene in the movie; it's just so nicely done!

Re: David Anders, I seem to recall in one of his earliest appearances someone was like, "Watch out for him!" I took that to mean, "Watch out for him, he destroys women!" Or maybe I derived it from his behavior around Ruby.

I really like the idea of all this being one kingdom and other major characters having duchies or other various kinds of provinces but they all ultimately answer to Snow White and James. Yeah, I forgot about Midas. So we know of at least three kingdoms.

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