7. HAHA, you just love him, that's all. I don't think he's the wolf, although given his womanizing tendencies (right?), it's possible. Also: the wolf doesn't get a happy ending. Unless you count the original Perrault story. Which I really doubt this show is consulting. I know I read that there's a Red episode coming up, which I'm excited about because I like Red (she's promiscuous and quiet!), but I would really like for them to do some lesser-known fairy tales before they suck these dry. (It would be SO AWESOME if they did a Thousand and One Nights episode; I also like the Six Swans and Snow White and Rose Red. Oh, and Rapunzel, if only because I have yet to see an adaptation that I find really innovative.) Basically, while they are obviously feeding off of Disney's popularity (whether by command, because they can, or both), I really hope they branch out and do some crazy non-Disney stuff. I already like the treatment the existing stories have gotten, but something new would be nice.
So I'm basically saying I think he should be the prince/king/whoever from the Six Swans or something.
Your talk about the opposite virtues is interesting; maybe earning the virtues for which their fantasy selves are known for will help break the curse? (I don't know. I barely remember the first episode, and it bleeds into the second.)
8. Interesting, but I for one am tired of fantasy resurrections. I think my patience for it pretty much snapped after reading HP7. (It's part of the hero's journey, true, but true self sacrifice doesn't involve coming back!) It's gotten to the point where having a character die and stay dead is a fresh novelty! Perhaps I have been reading comic books for too long. They have brought back ALL CHARACTERS, even the ones like Illyana Rasputin and Doug Ramsey who I thought died too well and were too much loved/sacred to bring back.
Anyway, Graham was an interesting character, but I watched the first two episodes of Angel recently and it's put me in mind of Doyle--how it's not entirely uncommon to write a character for the sole purpose of dying within the first ten episodes or so just to shake things up. I agree that the circumstances were a bit shady/magical and anything could happen, though.
9. YES. So far we know of three, yes? James' kingdom, the kingdom Cinderella married into, and Belle's kingdom. (Question: obviously James was a prince, and I'm pretty sure Cinderella married a prince; was it ever stated that Belle was a princess? I know it was heavily implied, but maybe she's the daughter of a duke! INTERESTING...) I think making them lesser nobility within Snow and James' kingdom would be really cool, but the inheritance thing could also be cool! Then it just means, probably, that they can't all exist together. Because Rapunzel has already died. Unless there is some kind of legacy that has to be unraveled. I don't know.
It sounds to me like most of the action takes place in Snow and James' kingdom, which Belle is either part of or a neighbor to. Rumple lived in that kingdom in both incarnations of himself, as he makes reference to the queen. I assumed that Rumple's powers made him live longer/forever. Furthermore, wars CAN last a long time, and the only land-shots I remember seeing are of castles, which would probably be the last land devastated. And probably after everything went down with Belle, Rumple didn't feel like stopping the wars.
10. Yes to all. Also as I mentioned, bringing Emma fully into play could be interesting. Especially if the mayor arranges for people to declare her crazy and she has to sit in sessions with Archie!
...I didn't even realize that I completely failed to mention the modern parts and Belle! Yes, the modern parts were way better and cute in a much more... satisfying, maybe? way. Belle was quite awesome, and I'm pretty sure it proves that Regina completely made up the story she told Rumple about Belle being driven to suicide or whatever it was, although I wonder--if the dwarves don't go into the village, why was Belle hanging out in the presumably underground dwarf bar? I thought it was a plot hole, but maybe it's actually awesome...
And yeah I don't really approve of the whole dwarf eggs thing and the magic names and all. In my head all dwarves are Discworld dwarves and I don't understand why anyone would want to write dwarves as being cutsier. But it fit the tone of the story and it came together pretty cute.
LOL well Rumple can hate nuns if he wants to, I just figured that all the nuns used to be fairies and therefore he doesn't like fairies! Also, was it just me or was the head nun (and fairy?) that lady on BSG who was one of the early Baltar-ites and had the son and all...?
Some days, I imagine, Rumple must be having an obscene amount of fun poking all the cursed people in Storeybrooke. Other days, perhaps he is sick and tired of everything being the same and always in a haze and just starts randomly evicting people just to shake things up. (Or something funnier, like striking up conversations with people about fairytales or something) ...I think I just wrote a fanfic there.
1. Yeah, Emma is kind of wishy-washy when it comes to Henry, but I think that's mostly in the early episodes? Not sure. It would be more interesting if they either interacted like a normal kid and adult, (you know, go to the park or go see a movie or something not involving talking about fairytales), or if Emma actually believed him instead of just indulging him.
2. I just hope the writers know he's not actually that charming, you know? Something like that would presumably be interesting; I just want him to stop acting like a 5-year-old going 'hur hur I know something you don't know!' ...wow, I really don't like him, do I? Dang.
3. They have not explained what happened between Regina and Snow. Regina says that Snow 'couldn't keep a secret' which 'ruined [Regina's] life'. Snow seems to agree with her to some extent, so it's not total BS. From the way they've been carefully handing out extremely tiny portions of hints on the subject, I assume this is something they're hanging on to for a finale or something. ETA: They also both seem to agree that this incident is the reason Regina doesn't have love in her life, and Regina has at various times heavily implied that her true love died. It still doesn't make sense yet.
4. ...I bet she does!
6. I'm not really sure what the extent of the curse is. It sent them to our world, stripped them of memories and gave them vague new ones, and trapped them in this town under Regina's control. It also has been continuously active, making new memories for David and possibly manufacturing a lot of the obstacles preventing him and Mary Margaret from getting together, all of which might or might not be stuff that Regina has to actively do. So far, the effects that Emma's had are starting time, happy endings without memories for Cinderella and Hansel and Gretel, full memories for Graham, and general prying people and the town out of Regina's control. Based on what we've seen so far, I really don't think that breaking the curse will send them back to the fairytale world. That might be a completely different problem to tackle. idk.
7. I was trying to think of non-wolf possibilities, because obviously if he is a werewolf in addition to being David Anders there will be no hope for me. Really, the only womanizing characteristics he's shown were staring at Ruby when on a date with Snow, being a bad date for Snow, and being a one-night stand with Snow. He did send her flowers after that. He also lied about David on Regina's request, or something to that effect, but he doesn't seem like a particularly bad guy on this show. IDK, we'll see. I should look up Six Swans.
8. Nah, I know he was probably written and killed off explicitly to prove that the stakes were high and will never really be mentioned again except in flashbacks, I just had the idea and am a little in love with it. Maybe I should write a fanfic about it or something. There's really no point in him coming back to life except maybe to say 'yeah, Henry's totally telling the truth, we're all fairytales and Regina is evil, you want proof, look how dead I'm not', which can all be better done with other characters. (PS I can't believe that! Shame on you, comics! How can you ever expect to tell a real, compelling story that is taken seriously if everyone comes back to life?)
9. Belle was not referred to as a princess. Her father was in a position of power and they obviously had money and social status, but they only ever mentioned having a village to protect, not a land or a kingdom. Her father might just be a mayor. Also, you forgot Midas' kingdom.
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My assumption was that Gold was talking strictly about nuns. Fairies never crossed my mind. It kind of implied a terrifying Catholic upbringing, which I thought was hilarious.
The Six (Seven?) Swans is this awesome story about a girl (princess?) with seven (or six) brothers and her evil stepmother turns them into swans. She can save them by weaving them shirts out of nettles, but she can't speak at all while she does it or they'll be stuck as swans forever. A random king happens by and decides to marry her. I don't remember if she was cool with it or not. Anyway, it's one of the rarely-done fairy tales, so of course I have a soft spot for it. Juliet Marillier wrote a nice novel version of it that I believe was called Daughter of the Forest.
Re: resurrecting characters: okay, somehow when I read that paragraph you wrote about it, it reminded me of how the witch in Stardust (movie, not book) reanimated Septimus' body to duel with Tristan. That is probably my favorite scene in the movie; it's just so nicely done!
Re: David Anders, I seem to recall in one of his earliest appearances someone was like, "Watch out for him!" I took that to mean, "Watch out for him, he destroys women!" Or maybe I derived it from his behavior around Ruby.
I really like the idea of all this being one kingdom and other major characters having duchies or other various kinds of provinces but they all ultimately answer to Snow White and James. Yeah, I forgot about Midas. So we know of at least three kingdoms.
So I'm basically saying I think he should be the prince/king/whoever from the Six Swans or something.
Your talk about the opposite virtues is interesting; maybe earning the virtues for which their fantasy selves are known for will help break the curse? (I don't know. I barely remember the first episode, and it bleeds into the second.)
8. Interesting, but I for one am tired of fantasy resurrections. I think my patience for it pretty much snapped after reading HP7. (It's part of the hero's journey, true, but true self sacrifice doesn't involve coming back!) It's gotten to the point where having a character die and stay dead is a fresh novelty! Perhaps I have been reading comic books for too long. They have brought back ALL CHARACTERS, even the ones like Illyana Rasputin and Doug Ramsey who I thought died too well and were too much loved/sacred to bring back.
Anyway, Graham was an interesting character, but I watched the first two episodes of Angel recently and it's put me in mind of Doyle--how it's not entirely uncommon to write a character for the sole purpose of dying within the first ten episodes or so just to shake things up. I agree that the circumstances were a bit shady/magical and anything could happen, though.
9. YES. So far we know of three, yes? James' kingdom, the kingdom Cinderella married into, and Belle's kingdom. (Question: obviously James was a prince, and I'm pretty sure Cinderella married a prince; was it ever stated that Belle was a princess? I know it was heavily implied, but maybe she's the daughter of a duke! INTERESTING...) I think making them lesser nobility within Snow and James' kingdom would be really cool, but the inheritance thing could also be cool! Then it just means, probably, that they can't all exist together. Because Rapunzel has already died. Unless there is some kind of legacy that has to be unraveled. I don't know.
It sounds to me like most of the action takes place in Snow and James' kingdom, which Belle is either part of or a neighbor to. Rumple lived in that kingdom in both incarnations of himself, as he makes reference to the queen. I assumed that Rumple's powers made him live longer/forever. Furthermore, wars CAN last a long time, and the only land-shots I remember seeing are of castles, which would probably be the last land devastated. And probably after everything went down with Belle, Rumple didn't feel like stopping the wars.
10. Yes to all. Also as I mentioned, bringing Emma fully into play could be interesting. Especially if the mayor arranges for people to declare her crazy and she has to sit in sessions with Archie!
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And yeah I don't really approve of the whole dwarf eggs thing and the magic names and all. In my head all dwarves are Discworld dwarves and I don't understand why anyone would want to write dwarves as being cutsier. But it fit the tone of the story and it came together pretty cute.
LOL well Rumple can hate nuns if he wants to, I just figured that all the nuns used to be fairies and therefore he doesn't like fairies! Also, was it just me or was the head nun (and fairy?) that lady on BSG who was one of the early Baltar-ites and had the son and all...?
Some days, I imagine, Rumple must be having an obscene amount of fun poking all the cursed people in Storeybrooke. Other days, perhaps he is sick and tired of everything being the same and always in a haze and just starts randomly evicting people just to shake things up. (Or something funnier, like striking up conversations with people about fairytales or something) ...I think I just wrote a fanfic there.
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2. I just hope the writers know he's not actually that charming, you know? Something like that would presumably be interesting; I just want him to stop acting like a 5-year-old going 'hur hur I know something you don't know!' ...wow, I really don't like him, do I? Dang.
3. They have not explained what happened between Regina and Snow. Regina says that Snow 'couldn't keep a secret' which 'ruined [Regina's] life'. Snow seems to agree with her to some extent, so it's not total BS. From the way they've been carefully handing out extremely tiny portions of hints on the subject, I assume this is something they're hanging on to for a finale or something. ETA: They also both seem to agree that this incident is the reason Regina doesn't have love in her life, and Regina has at various times heavily implied that her true love died. It still doesn't make sense yet.
4. ...I bet she does!
6. I'm not really sure what the extent of the curse is. It sent them to our world, stripped them of memories and gave them vague new ones, and trapped them in this town under Regina's control. It also has been continuously active, making new memories for David and possibly manufacturing a lot of the obstacles preventing him and Mary Margaret from getting together, all of which might or might not be stuff that Regina has to actively do. So far, the effects that Emma's had are starting time, happy endings without memories for Cinderella and Hansel and Gretel, full memories for Graham, and general prying people and the town out of Regina's control. Based on what we've seen so far, I really don't think that breaking the curse will send them back to the fairytale world. That might be a completely different problem to tackle. idk.
7. I was trying to think of non-wolf possibilities, because obviously if he is a werewolf in addition to being David Anders there will be no hope for me. Really, the only womanizing characteristics he's shown were staring at Ruby when on a date with Snow, being a bad date for Snow, and being a one-night stand with Snow. He did send her flowers after that. He also lied about David on Regina's request, or something to that effect, but he doesn't seem like a particularly bad guy on this show. IDK, we'll see. I should look up Six Swans.
8. Nah, I know he was probably written and killed off explicitly to prove that the stakes were high and will never really be mentioned again except in flashbacks, I just had the idea and am a little in love with it. Maybe I should write a fanfic about it or something. There's really no point in him coming back to life except maybe to say 'yeah, Henry's totally telling the truth, we're all fairytales and Regina is evil, you want proof, look how dead I'm not', which can all be better done with other characters. (PS I can't believe that! Shame on you, comics! How can you ever expect to tell a real, compelling story that is taken seriously if everyone comes back to life?)
9. Belle was not referred to as a princess. Her father was in a position of power and they obviously had money and social status, but they only ever mentioned having a village to protect, not a land or a kingdom. Her father might just be a mayor. Also, you forgot Midas' kingdom.
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My assumption was that Gold was talking strictly about nuns. Fairies never crossed my mind. It kind of implied a terrifying Catholic upbringing, which I thought was hilarious.
The Six (Seven?) Swans is this awesome story about a girl (princess?) with seven (or six) brothers and her evil stepmother turns them into swans. She can save them by weaving them shirts out of nettles, but she can't speak at all while she does it or they'll be stuck as swans forever. A random king happens by and decides to marry her. I don't remember if she was cool with it or not. Anyway, it's one of the rarely-done fairy tales, so of course I have a soft spot for it. Juliet Marillier wrote a nice novel version of it that I believe was called Daughter of the Forest.
Re: resurrecting characters: okay, somehow when I read that paragraph you wrote about it, it reminded me of how the witch in Stardust (movie, not book) reanimated Septimus' body to duel with Tristan. That is probably my favorite scene in the movie; it's just so nicely done!
Re: David Anders, I seem to recall in one of his earliest appearances someone was like, "Watch out for him!" I took that to mean, "Watch out for him, he destroys women!" Or maybe I derived it from his behavior around Ruby.
I really like the idea of all this being one kingdom and other major characters having duchies or other various kinds of provinces but they all ultimately answer to Snow White and James. Yeah, I forgot about Midas. So we know of at least three kingdoms.
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