How's my driving? (Or lack thereof?)

Nov 24, 2000 00:00

So, uh, typical HMD post here. I think I have all the settings right (anonymous posting on, IP logging off, screening on)...

I'm really new to Luceti, and I've never done any kind of roleplay like this before. AND I'm using an OC. So any kind of constructive criticism is totally appreciated.

ooc, hmd, tl;dr

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anonymous June 18 2011, 06:26:36 UTC
I didn't really feel comfortable bringing this up in the game-wide HMD so I'm putting this here.

You didn't mention anything in your app about Robert being autistic of having autism, but suddenly during this last event, he does? You claimed that his social awkwardness stems from this. As someone who grew up with a sibling who had autism, I found this to be very offensive. Autism does not mean "socially awkward," it's a developmental disorder.

In your app, you say Robert's childhood was "filled with constant mental growth" and he "he quickly took to learning". This would not be the case in a child with autism. At most, you might be able to attribute his social anxiety and anti-social tendencies to be due to Aspergers (the milder, high-functioning form of autism), but again, this is not mentioned in his app ( ... )

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semper_cogitans June 18 2011, 08:54:15 UTC
Okay, these are some really good points here, and I realize I must look entirely ignorant now that I haven't brought them up before. Hopefully you don't mind me replying to this.

First off - I do want to clarify that I understand that social awkwardness and autism aren't the same thing (even though I did an absolutely pathetic job of showing this awareness) - though in Robert's case, they feed into each other. His particular brand of autistic spectrum disorder is probably closer to Asperger's, and that's something I should have made much clearer - this is entirely my fault for not clarifying, and I can certainly see why you'd be upset about that.

Second part - yes, I should have mentioned this in his app - and indeed, I should've made sure I was going to include this as a trait before I did anything with him. That... is a major failure on my part, too, and I'm really sorry that I did that. I know that it's way too late to apologize for that, but... I am aware that that's a problem. I'll admit that I didn't think that through well ( ... )

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anonymous June 18 2011, 09:11:14 UTC
the idea is that it was supposed to be something entirely preposterous, something that would make it blatantly obvious to anybody with any knowledge that he was affected by an experiment.

Unfortunately, a lot of people don't know that much about autism to grasp that. It's not the kind of thing people would immediately associate as being preposterous: "Hey, it's a disorder of some kind, so people probably get over it all the time with therapy!" is what some people may have just assumed, with the only strangeness being how suddenly he "got over" it ( ... )

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semper_cogitans June 18 2011, 09:24:00 UTC
Good point - and again, this ties back to me sounding like an ignorant fool about autistic spectrum disorders in general. I guess I just... assumed other people would know (which is my main mistake there, I'd wager), and didn't bother to explain... which was incredibly stupid.

I guess I mentioned it purely because of the fact he was going to behave neurotypically, because I felt playing him as a social butterfly while simultaneously having him with the inability to perceive social cues very well would be prohibitively difficult. Which... it might not have been and I just made a bad decision.

... After the experiment ended - and even sometime before, though the stuff that was supposed to occur at that time never happened yet - Robert was going to realize that what he was saying was completely preposterous. He's... already kind of got that feeling that what he's going on about makes no sense. But again, you're right, I did not explain that well. If I even explained it at all ( ... )

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anonymous June 18 2011, 15:50:34 UTC
DA

I'm glad someone else brought this up, because I was also uncomfortable with your use of autism in the event but didn't feel qualified to say something about it.

If you plan on continuing to include an autism spectrum disorder in Robert's character, I would strongly encourage you to speak with the mods about it first. Ideally, I would like to see you reapp as someone might for a canon update, because I'd like to see some written proof that you've thought through this decision and have integrated it into the rest of Robert's history and personality. It seems extremely disingenuous to me to say "Whoops, I forgot it, but it's here now!" when it's a major trait that you did not app for.

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semper_cogitans June 18 2011, 19:01:07 UTC
Well, anons, I'm still truly sorry if I hurt or offended anybody by this. Though it wasn't my intention at all, it definitely came off that way for reasons I can see now, and I apologize. I'd make some kind of public apology, if it wouldn't be seen as untoward.

And I will definitely, at the very least, speak to the mods about this. You're probably right in that I should reapp/canon-update him, though; I'll see what the mods say in that regard.

I hope I've made myself look a little less like a prat by outlining my thought process, but again, you're still completely justified in being upset. I definitely won't do something as stupid as this again in the future.

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semper_cogitans June 22 2011, 02:39:18 UTC
Okay, so, second anon - a bit slow here, but I did talk to Masamune. To quote him in the conversation we had ( ... )

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