Dr. Who Christmas Special: Voyage of the Dammed

Dec 26, 2007 13:57

Of the three Christmas Specials, I still like The Runaway Bride best (Donna! Gallifrey! Darkest Ten Moment ever except for end of Family of Blood! Season 3 foreshadowing in miniature! Inspired Lunacy!) , and The Christmas Invasion least (no Doctor at all until the last ten minutes or so, swordfight as grand climax (which I'm only fond of in DW if ( Read more... )

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wee_warrior December 26 2007, 14:01:18 UTC
RTD is still contending with JMS for the title of Self Declared Atheist TV Writer Most Fond of Religious Imagery. Someone should really make a clip show where G'Kar's flogging, walk complete with cross and near cruxificion compete with Nine's crucifixion pose from Dalek, Jack's three days dead plus resurrection from End of Days and now Ten with the Killer Angels. Boys, boys, you just prove that no one is more obsessed with the imagery than an ex. That's something I can never get my head around, either. Maybe it does matter whether you were at some point religious. My upbringing was somewhat, er, unorthodox in that respect - my father, a ferocious Ex-Catholic, and my mother, a somewhat believing, but at that time not church-going Lutheran, actually didn't have me baptized and genuinely let me decide whether I wanted to receive communion or confirmation or not (I didn't) - and other than a brief stint as a Buddhist in sixth grade and a "bargaining christian" stage - I got a 4- in math, Jesus got a tea light - in eighth, I've never been ( ... )

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selenak December 26 2007, 17:17:10 UTC
I just rewatched the trailer. As ffutures pointed out, some of the soldiers in it definitely are wearing UNIT insignia. So yes, UNIT is baaaaaack!

*pleasetheBrigpleasetheBrigpleasetheBrig*

Rusty 'n Joe and their ex believer issues: in RTD's case, well, the guy wrote a two parter (starring Eccleston as the man himself, no less) about Jesus disolving religion, and JMS spent half of the Lost Tales on the Augustinian "why does God permit evil?" argument, so I stand by my claim about their ongoing obsession? (I've never watched Queer as Folk, so I have no idea whether Rusty vents it there, too. He didn't in Casanova. JMS, on the other hand, always finds a way to smuggle in a messiah and/or a crucifixion somewhere, and if not that, then an antichrist...)

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wee_warrior December 26 2007, 17:56:10 UTC
I just rewatched the trailer. As [info]ffutures pointed out, some of the soldiers in it definitely are wearing UNIT insignia. So yes, UNIT is baaaaaack!

Yay!

*pleasetheBrigpleasetheBrigpleasetheBrig*

*nods eagerly*

so I stand by my claim about their ongoing obsession

Oh, I didn't mean to contest that claim at all, I was merely wondering if it's ex-believers rather than atheists per se (one not necessarily being the other).

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wee_warrior December 26 2007, 18:02:36 UTC
(btw, re: religious imagery: not quite the same, since I don't think Tim Kring is actually a non-believer, seeing that he has a degree in biblical studies, but have you seen the pictures mimesh linked from the original virus-ending of Powerless? Er, let's just say we get a crucifixion pose, some holy light from above, and something that looks suspiciously like the Pièta. What's the weirder choice - Ten or Nathan Petrelli as Jesus? Discuss...)

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selenak December 27 2007, 07:17:08 UTC
I still vote "G'Kar". He combines Nathan's wily politician past (we do remember season 1 and the blackmails and shady deals in same, after all!) and sex drive (actually, G'Kar would have slept with Niki and Ms. Sakomoto both...) with Ten's obvious being in love with his best enemy! Also, he got the 39 lashes and the actual cruxificion walk. None of the other candidates did!

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wee_warrior December 27 2007, 11:57:02 UTC
I concur, but I maintain that all three are really odd choices, especially G'Kar and Nathan.

Something I also remembered is an old comic book series JMS wrote - Midnight Nation, which has angels and demons and a character getting crucified among other things. He definitely seems to like the imagery.

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