More Marvel
Aaand we have another Marvel trailer, this for for Captain America: Civil War.
Thoughts, based on the trailer but no MCU spoilers (other than what is in the trailer), since I'm actively trying to avoid those, though I will discuss the comics Civil War storyline (which by necessity was different anyway):
One of the reasons why I was sceptical when hearing the MCU wanted to do Civil War was that for starters, the cinematic Marvelverse doesn't have that many superpowered individuals for one of the key issues of the comics Civil War storyline to be one. In the comics, where you have superheroes all over the place, as an every day thing everyone is aware of, the registration & supervision versus no registration question is a different one, not to mention that the comics incident that triggers the central Civil War arc (and causes Comics!Tony Stark to switch his original "no" to registration to "yes" and to become its primary champion among the superheroes and thus Steve Rogers' enemy), a bunch of young superheroes handling a situation really badly, causing explosions and spectacular damage among civilians, wouldn't make sense in movieverse. Not just because there aren't enough young punk superheroes around, but because Age of Ultron featured the adult crop doing plenty of damage causing on their own, and MCU Tony is one of the primary causes of same. The other reason was that one of the key sources of angst for Civil War is all the long term friendships breaking over it, including that of comics Tony and comics Steve. But these were relationships established over years and years, and this just hasn't happened in the MCU yet. So why/how would Civil War work in the movieverse? And how would it tie to the big loose thread from Captain America: Winter Soldier anyway, to wit, Bucky?
Based on the trailer: by making Bucky a key issue. I'm assuming what we see early on is the movieverse equivalent of the Stanford incident in the comics, only instead of young inexperienced superheroes screwing up, it's something caused by villain X which the Winter Soldier is framed for because it fits his past M.O., and it triggers not only a Hunt For Bucky on the part of the authorities but the whole registration question. I do hope movie Steve will have another argument than "but Bucky!", because while that should please the shippers, it's not as interesting to me as a fight over principles. Again, Steve being anti registration in the movieverse is trickier to pull off than in the comics, given that he ended the last CA movie outing everyone's secret identities which is exactly what in the comics is one of the registration issues comics Steve's side takes exception to. Otoh I can see movieverse Tony becoming pro registration and supervision precisely as the result of his own Age of Ultron actions, it makes it more personal a reason than the kids screwing up anyway. (In the Christos Cage written story "Rubicon", which as opposed to the main Mark Millar Civil War storyline does a far more complex job on the Civil War issue, comics Tony argues with his past experience as an alcoholic to make the "I know we need accountability and supervision precisely because I screwed up in the past" argument.) Conversely, I could see movieverse Steve objecting to registration (beyond the Bucky issue) based on his recent experiences with SHIELD.
Incidentally, I hope this movie will finally make me care about Bucky as a person, because so far, I have nothing beyond the distant pity of "poor guy, decades of brainwashed slavery is horrible!", not least because I have no idea who he is beyond that, personality wise. In the first Captain America movie, he simply came across as generic cheerful best mate to me. Speaking of best friends, the trailer worrryingly shows a moment of Tony clutching a down and out Rhodey, but given this is a Captain America movie, I'm pretty sure Rhodey will survive. (I.e. if they kill off Tony's best friend, it would be in an Iron Man movie.) He might end up in a coma, though, which is what happens to Happy Hogan in the comics during Civil War . Actually, what then happens in the comics is worse because Pepper, who is married to Happy Hogan in the comics, ends up asking Tony to mercy kill him, but again, no way they're doing to do that in a Captain America centric movie where Tony is one of the antagonists. Otoh a temporary coma for Rhodey certainly would give Tony a very similar type of emotional incentive Steve has with Bucky.
Now Natasha's friendship with Steve, as opposed to Tony's friendship with Steve, was really build up in the movieverse. That we don't see her fight on Steve's side in the trailer makes me hope she'll get the "I love you, but I fundamentally disagree with you on this issue and so I'm fighting you on this one" angst, though she may simply be playing double and side with Steve anyway. (Comics Natasha sided with Tony, but then she had different relationships with everyone involved anyway.)
Good on Sam for asking the "why are we doing this?" question. (And again, I hope Steve's answer will be "because principle", not "because Bucky".) (Or, completley honestly, "because principle AND Bucky".) Good on Sam for being so prominently featured anyway. Which makes me hope that - no spoilers, just personal speculation - if the movie should end with Steve giving up being Captain America, they might skip the comics Bucky-as-Cap interlude and go straight to the current status of Sam-as-Cap. (Again: if the movie manages to make me care for Bucky as a person, I might feel differently. But right now, I know movieverse Sam, I like movieverse Sam and am invested in him, whereas I simply don't know who present day deprogrammed Bucky is yet.)
In another fandom entirely: while I no longer watch Once upon a Time, I still care about the characters, so I was delighted to find this "life and times" story for Milah, fleshing her out and giving us her pov: Ship in a Bottle.
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Click to viewThoughts, based on the trailer but no MCU spoilers (other than what is in the trailer), since I'm actively trying to avoid those, though I will discuss the comics Civil War storyline (which by necessity was different anyway):
One of the reasons why I was sceptical when hearing the MCU wanted to do Civil War was that for starters, the cinematic Marvelverse doesn't have that many superpowered individuals for one of the key issues of the comics Civil War storyline to be one. In the comics, where you have superheroes all over the place, as an every day thing everyone is aware of, the registration & supervision versus no registration question is a different one, not to mention that the comics incident that triggers the central Civil War arc (and causes Comics!Tony Stark to switch his original "no" to registration to "yes" and to become its primary champion among the superheroes and thus Steve Rogers' enemy), a bunch of young superheroes handling a situation really badly, causing explosions and spectacular damage among civilians, wouldn't make sense in movieverse. Not just because there aren't enough young punk superheroes around, but because Age of Ultron featured the adult crop doing plenty of damage causing on their own, and MCU Tony is one of the primary causes of same. The other reason was that one of the key sources of angst for Civil War is all the long term friendships breaking over it, including that of comics Tony and comics Steve. But these were relationships established over years and years, and this just hasn't happened in the MCU yet. So why/how would Civil War work in the movieverse? And how would it tie to the big loose thread from Captain America: Winter Soldier anyway, to wit, Bucky?
Based on the trailer: by making Bucky a key issue. I'm assuming what we see early on is the movieverse equivalent of the Stanford incident in the comics, only instead of young inexperienced superheroes screwing up, it's something caused by villain X which the Winter Soldier is framed for because it fits his past M.O., and it triggers not only a Hunt For Bucky on the part of the authorities but the whole registration question. I do hope movie Steve will have another argument than "but Bucky!", because while that should please the shippers, it's not as interesting to me as a fight over principles. Again, Steve being anti registration in the movieverse is trickier to pull off than in the comics, given that he ended the last CA movie outing everyone's secret identities which is exactly what in the comics is one of the registration issues comics Steve's side takes exception to. Otoh I can see movieverse Tony becoming pro registration and supervision precisely as the result of his own Age of Ultron actions, it makes it more personal a reason than the kids screwing up anyway. (In the Christos Cage written story "Rubicon", which as opposed to the main Mark Millar Civil War storyline does a far more complex job on the Civil War issue, comics Tony argues with his past experience as an alcoholic to make the "I know we need accountability and supervision precisely because I screwed up in the past" argument.) Conversely, I could see movieverse Steve objecting to registration (beyond the Bucky issue) based on his recent experiences with SHIELD.
Incidentally, I hope this movie will finally make me care about Bucky as a person, because so far, I have nothing beyond the distant pity of "poor guy, decades of brainwashed slavery is horrible!", not least because I have no idea who he is beyond that, personality wise. In the first Captain America movie, he simply came across as generic cheerful best mate to me. Speaking of best friends, the trailer worrryingly shows a moment of Tony clutching a down and out Rhodey, but given this is a Captain America movie, I'm pretty sure Rhodey will survive. (I.e. if they kill off Tony's best friend, it would be in an Iron Man movie.) He might end up in a coma, though, which is what happens to Happy Hogan in the comics during Civil War . Actually, what then happens in the comics is worse because Pepper, who is married to Happy Hogan in the comics, ends up asking Tony to mercy kill him, but again, no way they're doing to do that in a Captain America centric movie where Tony is one of the antagonists. Otoh a temporary coma for Rhodey certainly would give Tony a very similar type of emotional incentive Steve has with Bucky.
Now Natasha's friendship with Steve, as opposed to Tony's friendship with Steve, was really build up in the movieverse. That we don't see her fight on Steve's side in the trailer makes me hope she'll get the "I love you, but I fundamentally disagree with you on this issue and so I'm fighting you on this one" angst, though she may simply be playing double and side with Steve anyway. (Comics Natasha sided with Tony, but then she had different relationships with everyone involved anyway.)
Good on Sam for asking the "why are we doing this?" question. (And again, I hope Steve's answer will be "because principle", not "because Bucky".) (Or, completley honestly, "because principle AND Bucky".) Good on Sam for being so prominently featured anyway. Which makes me hope that - no spoilers, just personal speculation - if the movie should end with Steve giving up being Captain America, they might skip the comics Bucky-as-Cap interlude and go straight to the current status of Sam-as-Cap. (Again: if the movie manages to make me care for Bucky as a person, I might feel differently. But right now, I know movieverse Sam, I like movieverse Sam and am invested in him, whereas I simply don't know who present day deprogrammed Bucky is yet.)
In another fandom entirely: while I no longer watch Once upon a Time, I still care about the characters, so I was delighted to find this "life and times" story for Milah, fleshing her out and giving us her pov: Ship in a Bottle.
This entry was originally posted at http://selenak.dreamwidth.org/1123445.html. Comment there or here, as you wish.