"All the President's Men" and "Citizenfour"

Nov 06, 2014 19:54

Not so coincidentally, I just finished reading, for the first time though of course I'd watched the movie by Alan Pakula a dozen times, All the President's Men, the book by Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein about the Watergate case and their reporting of it. It still holds up incredibly well. Despite knowing a lot about the Watergate affair in ( Read more... )

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selenak November 7 2014, 05:46:40 UTC
re: Hillary, agreed on both counts - she wouldn't have handled the NSA issue any differently, but she's always been (and presented herself) as more of a hawk.

I really don't understand why we liberals haven't been more outraged about the way he's handled the Snowden issue.

That's why I can't help but speculate if there would have been more outrage for any other President but Obama (and most definitely for any Republican President). I remember how deeply shocked I was when for the first time reading the statistics on how the Bush and the Obama governments respectively handled whistleblowers, with Bush actually coming out better.

It still hasn't quite hit home yet that this kind of constant surveillance isn't limited to "the bad guys."

What also doesn't seem to have hit home is that even if you somehow believe the current government would not abuse all this knowledge it now has about you, what about the next one? Which would have this well oiled machinery and collected data at its disposal? Say a Tea Party candidate actually makes it to the top and, to be a paranoid left winger, abortion becomes illegal again except for rapes, which a woman would then have to prove first - would people feel comfortable with a government which has complete access to the information about every sexual relationship she's ever had? Etc.

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melusinehr November 7 2014, 11:17:44 UTC
From what I understand, a number of Tea Partiers think abortion should be illegal even when there is a rape, so you're not being paranoid enough. But otherwise, yep, there seems to be a fundamental inability to think about what pushing a particular agenda will mean once the other side is in power, because no one is able to imagine the other side being in power.

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