Someone has a really sharp tongue here...
Same warning as last time tbh. If you're too sensitive and believe in the never ending friendship of current and ex members (especially Koki) you might not want to read this...so you're free to skip this post ^___^
(other then this I don't guarantee everything to be 100% true because I was too lazy to check some things again for their accuracy)
I guess everyone heard what Kame was saying during the concert. Be it from various fanreports from fans who were there or the bit they showed during the shuichi concert footage from last week.
It was smth along the words 'we won't ignore our past anymore including Akanishi and Tanaka' and I guess this bit made lots of fans happy. The 6nin fans because he mentioned Jin's name and for all the others because it meant a clear and pretty cut and the beginning of a new time period.
(Personally, but these are just my two cents, I really think that this was a really good decision to say it, because I still think that acting like they were never 6 and making Jin's mere name into a huge taboo topic was a stupid decision. You can't erase people no matter how much you want, and if you desperately try to not talk about smth or someone then of course exactly this will stir more drama and wank. So I really do believe that if they acted the same already in 2010 this fandom would have had way less 6nin vs 5nin wars. But it's not like we can change it, and I'm already happy as long as this whole thing will never turn into a 6 vs 5 vs 4 nin fans war. Ugh)
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But personally after hearing this I didn't even think too much about it, because it just looked as 'we will accept our whole history and will move forward' and I really didn't think that anyone out of KT would spend more time talking about any ex members.
I guess I was wrong.
After the concerts there was another little wave of shock in fandom because some 'messages' were translated which you can find here
Personally I would be very, very careful about fully trusting this tho. There is no source and no one has any idea where it comes from. And even tho these words really sound like the boys might have said them...I wouldn't say that this is true. (Chances are that they were taken from this 'unofficial Johnny's' books. And well you can imagine how much you can believe in this stuff if even JE itself managed to sue one of the publishers of the previous books and most of the pages there consist of papa pics.)
Besides these messages, which are hardly trustful, there were also various fanreports which stated that during one of the fanmeetings? Kame said that he will try to surpass both, Akanishi and Tanaka.
But this doesn't seem to be true either because lots of people who were there too insisted that this never happened.
(At this point I would really like to say how tired I am that lately you have more wrong than truth statements in this fandom. I wish we all could check the sources, check the translations and leave our fingers from Google translator before running to twitter and shouting that it's 'OFFICIAL'.)(Like dvd which was never announced either. Oh and the hair cut you might have seen is fake too btw)
So I guess at this point some people were already a bit pissed (even tho nothing actually happened XD).
After this on another fanmeeting...Kame said something about him loving KT and that everyone who didn't feel the same way from beginning onwards has already left. This thing...also had about 3 different translations I think? We had people who insisted that he said 'The ones who hated KT' or the 'ones who disliked KT'. I think we clearly can cross out the option with the hating because this is...just too harsh.
Of course this stirred even more drama...some people were really pissed off, some other managed to be super dramatic and publish FB posts about 'not being able to support KT because they are mean and dear Koki is a poor victim who never wanted to leave'.
(This was pretty interesting for me because it also showed that there are Koki fans in this world who are actually against fanservice and don't like pervy jokes. Upps. Wrong group then I guess)
This moment was the one when some of us started to think 'Huh what's happening here' I guess. because we all know Kame. He 'cares' about what people think about him. He cares about what fans think about him...his group members, the people he works with, other Johnny's, Japan, maybe even the neighbors’ dog. Who knows. He is a professional who knows when you should say something...and when you shouldn't. And when maybe it's just better to stay quiet or try to deal with everything in a very diplomatic way.
But even looking back at all the other videos we had in October/November, you could clearly see that he *is* pissed off and that he is bitter and that probably he ...doesn't even have any problems to say it out loud.
So everything was still okay...lots of people said that he had a right to say that and that they do understand, but that it still hurt, of course. Nothing was too dramatic tho.
Until the last both videos came out (yesterday's 'kao ga sugoi' and today's...I will forever forget the name) and personally I really went wtf O_o hearing his words. Because I'm simply not used to him being *so* blunt on TV and simply saying the stuff he wants to say...
They basically talked about the NGs Johnny's have and they all insisted in the beginning that they actually don't have any, After going through some really weird and difficult stuff...(Like being hit bei a fan, eating way too hot curry and having a lobster sticking to your nose etc)
Kame said that...The only NG for Johnny's is having a store (business)
I guess you all can imagine what about this statement was...and *how* blunt it was. It's one thing to not ignoring your ex members another one to openly talk *and* subtly or well not too subtly criticize them on tv.
And while personally I'm a KT fan for just two years, I really don't think that Kame ever was...like that. This kind of shocks and amazes me in the same time. Especially because I don't really know whether I should be happy about it (because yeay! He is honest and blunt and *has every right* to say this, considering how much they all were hurt) or maybe not that much (because most of Japanese fans are still supporting Koki and are hurt by such statements, and you can guess that right now is maybe not the best time to piss fans off because they can't allow themselves to lose more.)
Another shock was during today's show (which was amazing and awesome btw. They are just so normal and kind and look so comfortable together, even if they were forced to wake up at I don't even know what time, staying around in the cold and then managing to get sea sick...).
During the last few minutes of the bangumi when they were driving, Kame started to talk about how great it was to have this trip concerning memories, the growing bond between and etc.
And even before...the snowman...Or '天の声' The voice from the heaven, which was a super mean guy who was doing jokes about them being 5 or 6 nin in the past ALL THE TIME. I stopped counting after all the 'uh? Weren’t you supposed to be 5' and 'please don't become 3 next year!' but it even got worse, because after Kame's great speech he said something like:
I edited the post and just gonna link to a full translation of this scene: click
I don't know how much Japanese some people here know and whether you have any idea about the different usage of the different pronouns in Japanese. But this 'aitsu' one of the...let's say less polite ways to say 'him'. And looking back at Kame talking about 'bonds' and saying that it should have been Koki instead who should have done this to learn it, practically shows how little Kame is expecting Koki to think about bonds within a group?
Azabu is similar to Roppongi when it comes to bars and other stuff. And it's also the place where Koki's bar is located.
(Talking about this, there is one of their older interviews they did in summer and where they were talking about people they can trust and Kame said:
'Don’t I often say that I don’t have friends? Once I trust someone I go on and show everything about myself, but I don’t have shallow relationships. It’s my prejudice but I won’t be friend with people who are like “I’m every night at Nishi-Azabu”, and fundamentally, our talks won’t match.' (Wink Up 2013.06 c.Iside)
I remember how back then a good friend of mine was joking how this was a subtle criticism aimed at Koki and I was totally denying this because I really didn't thought that he would say something like this about his group member in a *magazine*. Well I guess my point of view changed now...
And again...KAME!
Just...I guess I really got used to him being all smiley and rarely saying any 'bad' stuff on tv. I really don't know what changed now, and I think we all can just guess the reasons.
He is not stupid. He knows that these statements will shock and even make people angry, because these words are harsh. They are certainly true. But they ARE harsh. They are so harsh that this will make him lose fans, because especially Japanese fans are very touchy when it comes to such topics, and he still doesn't seem to care.
Maybe he is just so bitter and angry that he can't help but say this out loud. Maybe being forced more than 3 years to be quiet about any angry feelings he had about Jin made him snap.
And now being allowed to make jokes about their past...he just uses this opportunity to really say everything he wants to say.
And I'm really wondering what will happen now because after this past 2 weeks every next show will start with the 10000$ question about 'what will he say this time...'
And personally I'm kind of torn between being happy that he is just honest and blunt and being worried because...they are still idols and they still have fans to please, and I just hope this won't go over board. Bu knowing him and knowing that he really wouldn't say anything like this unless it's *really* important for him...I guess this is something he just *needs* to say, and well I gonna support this no matter what.
(And well I would be a big lier if I said that a part of me isn't enjoying all of this...)
(other then this I don't guarantee everything to be 100% true because I was too lazy to check some things again for their accuracy)
I guess everyone heard what Kame was saying during the concert. Be it from various fanreports from fans who were there or the bit they showed during the shuichi concert footage from last week.
It was smth along the words 'we won't ignore our past anymore including Akanishi and Tanaka' and I guess this bit made lots of fans happy. The 6nin fans because he mentioned Jin's name and for all the others because it meant a clear and pretty cut and the beginning of a new time period.
(Personally, but these are just my two cents, I really think that this was a really good decision to say it, because I still think that acting like they were never 6 and making Jin's mere name into a huge taboo topic was a stupid decision. You can't erase people no matter how much you want, and if you desperately try to not talk about smth or someone then of course exactly this will stir more drama and wank. So I really do believe that if they acted the same already in 2010 this fandom would have had way less 6nin vs 5nin wars. But it's not like we can change it, and I'm already happy as long as this whole thing will never turn into a 6 vs 5 vs 4 nin fans war. Ugh)
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But personally after hearing this I didn't even think too much about it, because it just looked as 'we will accept our whole history and will move forward' and I really didn't think that anyone out of KT would spend more time talking about any ex members.
I guess I was wrong.
After the concerts there was another little wave of shock in fandom because some 'messages' were translated which you can find here
Personally I would be very, very careful about fully trusting this tho. There is no source and no one has any idea where it comes from. And even tho these words really sound like the boys might have said them...I wouldn't say that this is true. (Chances are that they were taken from this 'unofficial Johnny's' books. And well you can imagine how much you can believe in this stuff if even JE itself managed to sue one of the publishers of the previous books and most of the pages there consist of papa pics.)
Besides these messages, which are hardly trustful, there were also various fanreports which stated that during one of the fanmeetings? Kame said that he will try to surpass both, Akanishi and Tanaka.
But this doesn't seem to be true either because lots of people who were there too insisted that this never happened.
(At this point I would really like to say how tired I am that lately you have more wrong than truth statements in this fandom. I wish we all could check the sources, check the translations and leave our fingers from Google translator before running to twitter and shouting that it's 'OFFICIAL'.)(Like dvd which was never announced either. Oh and the hair cut you might have seen is fake too btw)
So I guess at this point some people were already a bit pissed (even tho nothing actually happened XD).
After this on another fanmeeting...Kame said something about him loving KT and that everyone who didn't feel the same way from beginning onwards has already left. This thing...also had about 3 different translations I think? We had people who insisted that he said 'The ones who hated KT' or the 'ones who disliked KT'. I think we clearly can cross out the option with the hating because this is...just too harsh.
Of course this stirred even more drama...some people were really pissed off, some other managed to be super dramatic and publish FB posts about 'not being able to support KT because they are mean and dear Koki is a poor victim who never wanted to leave'.
(This was pretty interesting for me because it also showed that there are Koki fans in this world who are actually against fanservice and don't like pervy jokes. Upps. Wrong group then I guess)
This moment was the one when some of us started to think 'Huh what's happening here' I guess. because we all know Kame. He 'cares' about what people think about him. He cares about what fans think about him...his group members, the people he works with, other Johnny's, Japan, maybe even the neighbors’ dog. Who knows. He is a professional who knows when you should say something...and when you shouldn't. And when maybe it's just better to stay quiet or try to deal with everything in a very diplomatic way.
But even looking back at all the other videos we had in October/November, you could clearly see that he *is* pissed off and that he is bitter and that probably he ...doesn't even have any problems to say it out loud.
So everything was still okay...lots of people said that he had a right to say that and that they do understand, but that it still hurt, of course. Nothing was too dramatic tho.
Until the last both videos came out (yesterday's 'kao ga sugoi' and today's...I will forever forget the name) and personally I really went wtf O_o hearing his words. Because I'm simply not used to him being *so* blunt on TV and simply saying the stuff he wants to say...
They basically talked about the NGs Johnny's have and they all insisted in the beginning that they actually don't have any, After going through some really weird and difficult stuff...(Like being hit bei a fan, eating way too hot curry and having a lobster sticking to your nose etc)
Kame said that...The only NG for Johnny's is having a store (business)
I guess you all can imagine what about this statement was...and *how* blunt it was. It's one thing to not ignoring your ex members another one to openly talk *and* subtly or well not too subtly criticize them on tv.
And while personally I'm a KT fan for just two years, I really don't think that Kame ever was...like that. This kind of shocks and amazes me in the same time. Especially because I don't really know whether I should be happy about it (because yeay! He is honest and blunt and *has every right* to say this, considering how much they all were hurt) or maybe not that much (because most of Japanese fans are still supporting Koki and are hurt by such statements, and you can guess that right now is maybe not the best time to piss fans off because they can't allow themselves to lose more.)
Another shock was during today's show (which was amazing and awesome btw. They are just so normal and kind and look so comfortable together, even if they were forced to wake up at I don't even know what time, staying around in the cold and then managing to get sea sick...).
During the last few minutes of the bangumi when they were driving, Kame started to talk about how great it was to have this trip concerning memories, the growing bond between and etc.
And even before...the snowman...Or '天の声' The voice from the heaven, which was a super mean guy who was doing jokes about them being 5 or 6 nin in the past ALL THE TIME. I stopped counting after all the 'uh? Weren’t you supposed to be 5' and 'please don't become 3 next year!' but it even got worse, because after Kame's great speech he said something like:
I edited the post and just gonna link to a full translation of this scene: click
I don't know how much Japanese some people here know and whether you have any idea about the different usage of the different pronouns in Japanese. But this 'aitsu' one of the...let's say less polite ways to say 'him'. And looking back at Kame talking about 'bonds' and saying that it should have been Koki instead who should have done this to learn it, practically shows how little Kame is expecting Koki to think about bonds within a group?
Azabu is similar to Roppongi when it comes to bars and other stuff. And it's also the place where Koki's bar is located.
(Talking about this, there is one of their older interviews they did in summer and where they were talking about people they can trust and Kame said:
'Don’t I often say that I don’t have friends? Once I trust someone I go on and show everything about myself, but I don’t have shallow relationships. It’s my prejudice but I won’t be friend with people who are like “I’m every night at Nishi-Azabu”, and fundamentally, our talks won’t match.' (Wink Up 2013.06 c.Iside)
I remember how back then a good friend of mine was joking how this was a subtle criticism aimed at Koki and I was totally denying this because I really didn't thought that he would say something like this about his group member in a *magazine*. Well I guess my point of view changed now...
And again...KAME!
Just...I guess I really got used to him being all smiley and rarely saying any 'bad' stuff on tv. I really don't know what changed now, and I think we all can just guess the reasons.
He is not stupid. He knows that these statements will shock and even make people angry, because these words are harsh. They are certainly true. But they ARE harsh. They are so harsh that this will make him lose fans, because especially Japanese fans are very touchy when it comes to such topics, and he still doesn't seem to care.
Maybe he is just so bitter and angry that he can't help but say this out loud. Maybe being forced more than 3 years to be quiet about any angry feelings he had about Jin made him snap.
And now being allowed to make jokes about their past...he just uses this opportunity to really say everything he wants to say.
And I'm really wondering what will happen now because after this past 2 weeks every next show will start with the 10000$ question about 'what will he say this time...'
And personally I'm kind of torn between being happy that he is just honest and blunt and being worried because...they are still idols and they still have fans to please, and I just hope this won't go over board. Bu knowing him and knowing that he really wouldn't say anything like this unless it's *really* important for him...I guess this is something he just *needs* to say, and well I gonna support this no matter what.
(And well I would be a big lier if I said that a part of me isn't enjoying all of this...)