Yes, but that's where I am willing to take her wanting to change in some clear way, seeing the need to change, as opposed to actually accomplishing that in one fell swoop. That's the difference that I meant and that's why I can see it happening in shorter time.
Ah, okay. I had to reread your first comment to fully get it, but now I do. And I agree. She can open her eyes to her own issues fairly easily, and can even take some definite step toward showing him she sees the problems and is willing to work on changing (much the way I wrote her in Chemical Reactions, actually, which was the main reason I wanted to write that fic). As long as it's not a single epiphany!
And yes, V/Piz would have to be a catalyst, not an end in itself. RT may be willful and perhaps even perverse, but he's not stupid. Piz ain't a contender. If V is dating Piz at the cold open to ep. 20 and is all happy and in love (barf), then I guarantee you he'll be dead by the end of the episode. (And I mean literally dead, a/k/a roadkill.) But I just don't see it happening. Not in a hearts-and-flowers sort of way (if it happens at all). Nope.
She can open her eyes to her own issues fairly easily, and can even take some definite step toward showing him she sees the problems and is willing to work on changing (much the way I wrote her in Chemical Reactions, actually, which was the main reason I wanted to write that fic).
And I am so glad you did! That is, incidentally the reason I wrote mine, too. To make some headway for Veronica seeing her own actions. Sigh. :)
As long as it's not a single epiphany!
God, yes! I hate epiphanies, especially Veronica's. They never stick, for one. And they come out of nowhere. And while it's funny in Stan Marsh, in Veronica it's really not. :)
And yes, V/Piz would have to be a catalyst, not an end in itself. RT may be willful and perhaps even perverse, but he's not stupid. Piz ain't a contender. If V is dating Piz at the cold open to ep. 20 and is all happy and in love (barf), then I guarantee you he'll be dead by the end of the episode. (And I mean literally dead, a/k/a roadkill.) But I just don't see it happening. Not in a hearts-and-flowers sort of way (if it happens at all). Nope.
Hee, at this point I dislike him enough (or feel threatened, which is the same thing, sadly) to almost wish this outcome. Except not really, because the last thing I want is for Veronica to spend a single moment mourning Piz! Let alone spend half of hypothetical season 4 (should we get it) doing so. In short, I don't want her dating the guy, liking the guy, having sexual relationship with him, being happy with him for even a second, or feeling bad if he dies. And yes, I know it's irrational (well, mostly), but there it is. I also know that the odds of me getting what I want are slim. So, I'll settle for at least not getting most of what I really don't want. :)
Ultimately, I am hoping that whatever RT does, the plan is not to replace JD with CL. Whatever his feelings (and we don't even know what they are for sure), RT knows JD's potential. And however much he may like Piz, he hasn't so far given him any truly compelling material to work with. Now, that could change, and for all I know, CL may be able to pull it off. But I doubt he can rise to JD's level. And you just don't throw away an asset like that. So, with Veronica or without, I sincerely hope they are not cutting JD's time and/or getting rid of him.
That is, incidentally the reason I wrote mine, too. To make some headway for Veronica seeing her own actions.
And it's part of what makes yours so satisfying to read, that it's clear that you've got her going there. Which she so needs to do.
Yeah, the thought of V mourning Piz is reason enough to avoid slaughtering him at the end of this season. Ah well.
I think CL is a good actor, BTW. But I concur, he's been given NOTHING to work with. Which is why I'm absolutely convinced he's not on the scene to replace JD, but rather to provide the tension inherent in a triangle. If Piz were more, we'd know by now because he'd have some DEPTH. A reason to invest in him. Instead we have goofy bad jokes and longing crush-boy eyes. It's so LAME. Honestly, it reminds me more and more of Leo. Every bit of Leo's dialogue with Veronica was about getting into her pants, and I found much of it wince-worthy. And he was cute and dopey in some of the same well-meaning ways.
Seriously. That's it. Piz is Leo redux. Not Duncan. Leo. No threat there, not for the long term.
Seriously. That's it. Piz is Leo redux. Not Duncan. Leo. No threat there, not for the long term.
Hee, someone commented in their replies to my fic that Piz is that Smith kid from "Meet John Smith." He is too young for Veronica (if not in age at least in experience), too eager, too hyper, and too mooney-eyed. And he serves fine for the MotW purpose(s), but not for any kind of depth. And it's just so impossible to see Veronica considering a serious relationship with him, just as it would have been to see her actually reciprocating anything for that freshman kid in the episode. :)
And it's part of what makes yours so satisfying to read, that it's clear that you've got her going there. Which she so needs to do.
Sigh. She so does. I'm just praying it's not just our wishful thinking that this is where it goes on the show. Really, it's been too, too pointed for it to be just a nothing.
Ah, okay. I had to reread your first comment to fully get it, but now I do. And I agree. She can open her eyes to her own issues fairly easily, and can even take some definite step toward showing him she sees the problems and is willing to work on changing (much the way I wrote her in Chemical Reactions, actually, which was the main reason I wanted to write that fic). As long as it's not a single epiphany!
And yes, V/Piz would have to be a catalyst, not an end in itself. RT may be willful and perhaps even perverse, but he's not stupid. Piz ain't a contender. If V is dating Piz at the cold open to ep. 20 and is all happy and in love (barf), then I guarantee you he'll be dead by the end of the episode. (And I mean literally dead, a/k/a roadkill.) But I just don't see it happening. Not in a hearts-and-flowers sort of way (if it happens at all). Nope.
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And I am so glad you did! That is, incidentally the reason I wrote mine, too. To make some headway for Veronica seeing her own actions. Sigh. :)
As long as it's not a single epiphany!
God, yes! I hate epiphanies, especially Veronica's. They never stick, for one. And they come out of nowhere. And while it's funny in Stan Marsh, in Veronica it's really not. :)
And yes, V/Piz would have to be a catalyst, not an end in itself. RT may be willful and perhaps even perverse, but he's not stupid. Piz ain't a contender. If V is dating Piz at the cold open to ep. 20 and is all happy and in love (barf), then I guarantee you he'll be dead by the end of the episode. (And I mean literally dead, a/k/a roadkill.) But I just don't see it happening. Not in a hearts-and-flowers sort of way (if it happens at all). Nope.
Hee, at this point I dislike him enough (or feel threatened, which is the same thing, sadly) to almost wish this outcome. Except not really, because the last thing I want is for Veronica to spend a single moment mourning Piz! Let alone spend half of hypothetical season 4 (should we get it) doing so. In short, I don't want her dating the guy, liking the guy, having sexual relationship with him, being happy with him for even a second, or feeling bad if he dies. And yes, I know it's irrational (well, mostly), but there it is. I also know that the odds of me getting what I want are slim. So, I'll settle for at least not getting most of what I really don't want. :)
Ultimately, I am hoping that whatever RT does, the plan is not to replace JD with CL. Whatever his feelings (and we don't even know what they are for sure), RT knows JD's potential. And however much he may like Piz, he hasn't so far given him any truly compelling material to work with. Now, that could change, and for all I know, CL may be able to pull it off. But I doubt he can rise to JD's level. And you just don't throw away an asset like that. So, with Veronica or without, I sincerely hope they are not cutting JD's time and/or getting rid of him.
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And it's part of what makes yours so satisfying to read, that it's clear that you've got her going there. Which she so needs to do.
Yeah, the thought of V mourning Piz is reason enough to avoid slaughtering him at the end of this season. Ah well.
I think CL is a good actor, BTW. But I concur, he's been given NOTHING to work with. Which is why I'm absolutely convinced he's not on the scene to replace JD, but rather to provide the tension inherent in a triangle. If Piz were more, we'd know by now because he'd have some DEPTH. A reason to invest in him. Instead we have goofy bad jokes and longing crush-boy eyes. It's so LAME. Honestly, it reminds me more and more of Leo. Every bit of Leo's dialogue with Veronica was about getting into her pants, and I found much of it wince-worthy. And he was cute and dopey in some of the same well-meaning ways.
Seriously. That's it. Piz is Leo redux. Not Duncan. Leo. No threat there, not for the long term.
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Hee, someone commented in their replies to my fic that Piz is that Smith kid from "Meet John Smith." He is too young for Veronica (if not in age at least in experience), too eager, too hyper, and too mooney-eyed. And he serves fine for the MotW purpose(s), but not for any kind of depth. And it's just so impossible to see Veronica considering a serious relationship with him, just as it would have been to see her actually reciprocating anything for that freshman kid in the episode. :)
And it's part of what makes yours so satisfying to read, that it's clear that you've got her going there. Which she so needs to do.
Sigh. She so does. I'm just praying it's not just our wishful thinking that this is where it goes on the show. Really, it's been too, too pointed for it to be just a nothing.
And thank you! :)
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