Maybe it's because I am older. Maybe it's because I braved a few relationships in my life. Maybe it's because I am simply a freak. But I seem to be one of the few people who has no problem seeing LoVe reconcile at the end of THIS season without everything being neatly resolved
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Well, I'm probably older than you are. *cough* And I've had my share of relationships, including a marriage that has grown and changed as the two of us have gone through major life events together. So I fundamentally agree with you that reconciliation doesn't have to wait till every major character flaw has been resolved. And I don't think I said that - or at least, I certainly didn't mean to be saying that. (Though I know many are saying or implying just that
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And I don't think I said that - or at least, I certainly didn't mean to be saying that. (Though I know many are saying or implying just that.)
You weren't. It was more of my take on the general feeling in the fandom.
All I'm saying is that it will feel like a cheat to give Veronica the end-of-arc satisfaction (a renewed relationship) if she hasn't changed in some clear way.
Yes, but that's where I am willing to take her wanting to change in some clear way, seeing the need to change, as opposed to actually accomplishing that in one fell swoop. That's the difference that I meant and that's why I can see it happening in shorter time.
OTOH, RT has shown in the past that he can take big emotional leaps and have the audience buy into them. So that's another factor, which suggests that he can in fact pull this off.
And I am praying that you are right. :))
I do think there will be some kind of reconciliation, but I'm not going to make any guesses about the nature of that renewed connection, how much will be actual and how much
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Yes, but that's where I am willing to take her wanting to change in some clear way, seeing the need to change, as opposed to actually accomplishing that in one fell swoop. That's the difference that I meant and that's why I can see it happening in shorter time.Ah, okay. I had to reread your first comment to fully get it, but now I do. And I agree. She can open her eyes to her own issues fairly easily, and can even take some definite step toward showing him she sees the problems and is willing to work on changing (much the way I wrote her in Chemical Reactions, actually, which was the main reason I wanted to write that fic). As long as it's not a single epiphany
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She can open her eyes to her own issues fairly easily, and can even take some definite step toward showing him she sees the problems and is willing to work on changing (much the way I wrote her in Chemical Reactions, actually, which was the main reason I wanted to write that fic).
And I am so glad you did! That is, incidentally the reason I wrote mine, too. To make some headway for Veronica seeing her own actions. Sigh. :)
As long as it's not a single epiphany!
God, yes! I hate epiphanies, especially Veronica's. They never stick, for one. And they come out of nowhere. And while it's funny in Stan Marsh, in Veronica it's really not. :)
And yes, V/Piz would have to be a catalyst, not an end in itself. RT may be willful and perhaps even perverse, but he's not stupid. Piz ain't a contender. If V is dating Piz at the cold open to ep. 20 and is all happy and in love (barf), then I guarantee you he'll be dead by the end of the episode. (And I mean literally dead, a/k/a roadkill.) But I just don't see it happening. Not in a hearts-and-
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That is, incidentally the reason I wrote mine, too. To make some headway for Veronica seeing her own actions. And it's part of what makes yours so satisfying to read, that it's clear that you've got her going there. Which she so needs to do
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Seriously. That's it. Piz is Leo redux. Not Duncan. Leo. No threat there, not for the long term.
Hee, someone commented in their replies to my fic that Piz is that Smith kid from "Meet John Smith." He is too young for Veronica (if not in age at least in experience), too eager, too hyper, and too mooney-eyed. And he serves fine for the MotW purpose(s), but not for any kind of depth. And it's just so impossible to see Veronica considering a serious relationship with him, just as it would have been to see her actually reciprocating anything for that freshman kid in the episode. :)
And it's part of what makes yours so satisfying to read, that it's clear that you've got her going there. Which she so needs to do.
Sigh. She so does. I'm just praying it's not just our wishful thinking that this is where it goes on the show. Really, it's been too, too pointed for it to be just a nothing.
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You weren't. It was more of my take on the general feeling in the fandom.
All I'm saying is that it will feel like a cheat to give Veronica the end-of-arc satisfaction (a renewed relationship) if she hasn't changed in some clear way.
Yes, but that's where I am willing to take her wanting to change in some clear way, seeing the need to change, as opposed to actually accomplishing that in one fell swoop. That's the difference that I meant and that's why I can see it happening in shorter time.
OTOH, RT has shown in the past that he can take big emotional leaps and have the audience buy into them. So that's another factor, which suggests that he can in fact pull this off.
And I am praying that you are right. :))
I do think there will be some kind of reconciliation, but I'm not going to make any guesses about the nature of that renewed connection, how much will be actual and how much ( ... )
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And I am so glad you did! That is, incidentally the reason I wrote mine, too. To make some headway for Veronica seeing her own actions. Sigh. :)
As long as it's not a single epiphany!
God, yes! I hate epiphanies, especially Veronica's. They never stick, for one. And they come out of nowhere. And while it's funny in Stan Marsh, in Veronica it's really not. :)
And yes, V/Piz would have to be a catalyst, not an end in itself. RT may be willful and perhaps even perverse, but he's not stupid. Piz ain't a contender. If V is dating Piz at the cold open to ep. 20 and is all happy and in love (barf), then I guarantee you he'll be dead by the end of the episode. (And I mean literally dead, a/k/a roadkill.) But I just don't see it happening. Not in a hearts-and- ( ... )
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Hee, someone commented in their replies to my fic that Piz is that Smith kid from "Meet John Smith." He is too young for Veronica (if not in age at least in experience), too eager, too hyper, and too mooney-eyed. And he serves fine for the MotW purpose(s), but not for any kind of depth. And it's just so impossible to see Veronica considering a serious relationship with him, just as it would have been to see her actually reciprocating anything for that freshman kid in the episode. :)
And it's part of what makes yours so satisfying to read, that it's clear that you've got her going there. Which she so needs to do.
Sigh. She so does. I'm just praying it's not just our wishful thinking that this is where it goes on the show. Really, it's been too, too pointed for it to be just a nothing.
And thank you! :)
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