except weight I guess. I can't really overcome that. I loathe being even 5 lbs overweight. I'm too short and it is too great being the other way. Even then, I compensate by not shaving, not doing makeup or anything else so HAH. And yeah i eat bread all day long
Women and weightseasidebeeNovember 12 2019, 15:31:52 UTC
No one, other than Americans, and I repeat, NO ONE that I met and became acquainted with or befriended whilst living abroad talked about their WEIGHT. Ever. Think about that for a minute. And I met people from all over the world
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RE: Women and weightbcegdaNovember 12 2019, 18:04:15 UTC
I grew up, as did a ginormous percentage (i would guess 88%) of the female global population mind raped by the fat/thin deal. Nobody abroad escaped it, sorry to say. In fact, I would say it has been more tolerable to me in America because at least ppl here are mostly huge and there's a whole fat acceptance movement. So ironically I find the opposite of your experience. I find that America is probably a place to be if you want to be free of moronic beauty ideals and fat/thin mindrape. There's just more diversity here. Over there (especially latin america) the female social roles are so ossified and inescapable that there exists no alternative. Sure, here you have Instacunts and celebrity garbage and pointless magazines and the 20 - 40% of actual women who seriously buy in (as opposed to tolerate it as so much noise) but there it pretty much is all there is. It is a place that last I checked if you are female applying for a job it is legit to post "35 and under only need apply" on a secretary/receptionist ad and where 'are you height
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RE: Women and weightbcegdaNovember 12 2019, 18:30:18 UTC
(oh wait - I forgot to talk about my Korean friend who was basically fat shamed all thru growing up because she couldn't ever get much less than a size 4 and she had the audacity to have Actual Boobs. Never mind she looked like anybody any American would aspire to look like - she did not fit the neotenous zero-body-fat Asian ideal, so that was that)
Re: Women and weightseasidebeeNovember 13 2019, 14:40:37 UTC
Interesting. And sad.
That wasn't my experience, in terms of what we discussed or that I became aware of as a result of knowing people. It's not surprising that it is not merely endemic or specific to American culture. I do wonder though, if that attitude, like Coca Cola, just ended up spreading from here like so much more "advertising".
RE: Re: Women and weightbcegdaNovember 14 2019, 01:46:41 UTC
I dunno. Beauty ideals are something that even monkeys and birds have. There has been a small variance in sizes over the centuries and in different locales but it is still a very narrow margin. Possibly in antiquity and definitely in pre industrial societies a really fat woman was ideal in some way
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Re: Re: Women and weightseasidebeeNovember 14 2019, 14:08:24 UTC
You've reminded me of many things I learned in Women's Studies classes and then forgot over the last 20 years. LOL Wish I had your retention! Interesting article, thanks for the link.
My objective is to continue to support the young women in my life to be comfortable in their own skin, and not to buy in to prevailing cultural attitudes that inform them that they aren't enough, or that they must be other than who they are. This whole discussion, my current ire with it, began, (again), as a result of witnessing several young women seriously struggling with related issues, and feeling like I want to help in any way I can.
except weight I guess. I can't really overcome that. I loathe being even 5 lbs overweight. I'm too short and it is too great being the other way. Even then, I compensate by not shaving, not doing makeup or anything else so HAH. And yeah i eat bread all day long
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That wasn't my experience, in terms of what we discussed or that I became aware of as a result of knowing people. It's not surprising that it is not merely endemic or specific to American culture. I do wonder though, if that attitude, like Coca Cola, just ended up spreading from here like so much more "advertising".
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My objective is to continue to support the young women in my life to be comfortable in their own skin, and not to buy in to prevailing cultural attitudes that inform them that they aren't enough, or that they must be other than who they are. This whole discussion, my current ire with it, began, (again), as a result of witnessing several young women seriously struggling with related issues, and feeling like I want to help in any way I can.
Thanks for your input.
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