About the Norwegian Massacre

Jul 23, 2011 21:07

(I was going to disable comments here, just because I don't crave a discussion, merely my own statement, but then I changed my mind. Not so sure there is much to say though ( Read more... )

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sealwhiskers July 24 2011, 04:57:05 UTC
While everything you say is not only true but very sane and intelligent, there is still the sociological aspect of power left out of the equation in mots of these types of "blaming" discussions.

The left has lost a lot of power and influence over the last two and a half decades, while all forms of think tanks and other forms of ideological breweries, sponsored by right leaning corporations have become very powerful. The same, but in different manifestations when it comes to political Islam.
The left doesn't have that kind of power to manifests itself in plans and actions of any influential sort, today. It doesn't mean that violence is inherently *absent* from the profile of the left, but it does mean that the socio-political map of the left today is not shaped in such a fashion. The left is fighting to remain true to itself and to not get drowned by dynamics of big corporations, it spawns very few acts of power surge, whether legitimate or crackheaded.

The two power fields today is religious extremism and right wing factions of various kinds. Sometimes they even come together with a bang.

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sealwhiskers July 24 2011, 15:58:32 UTC
I thought you might think back to our previous discussion. I'll say what I said to another commenter in one of those threads in that post: There is neither any "true" socialism nor any "true" capitalism in the democratic world (and making them un-democratic will make them not count, in my book). The best thing that could happen was the slow advent of the mixed systems in all their many incarnations. What I referred to was the value of the legacy, comparing capitalism and socialism, and how it has transformed but is still present. I think it is somewhat equal in scope and value and you thought not and also think there is true capitalism (unlike all libertarians I know of). This is where we disagree. From my POW, most people cannot even begin to fathom what a dismal society this would be if socialism or something similar never happened at all.

As for the US, well...from a European point of view, you guys only have the far right, the less far right, and the right leaning center (Democrats). This, again, refers to *now* and doesn't mean, in reference to our previous discussion, than all the legacies of the Left in *this* country makes the left here less left. It just means that this country started off on another spectrum than Europe. (And in my, very personal opinion, it also reflects some very specific problems in the US)

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sealwhiskers July 24 2011, 16:06:33 UTC
Oh, I know. that's why you're my friend.

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sealwhiskers July 24 2011, 16:09:38 UTC
ahem, no irony, I hope, heh. :)

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sealwhiskers July 24 2011, 16:21:09 UTC
I totally agree. I've never been the edgy type myself!

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