Re: Sue?! What Sue!
anonymous
April 24 2005, 02:03:29 UTC
>snipped Sue description >This had me laughing like crazy!
Really?! *the mind boggles* I should apologise for that, I think. The ranting got a tad out of hand. Although you *know* that the story of Silvriana the Wonder-Sue and her Amazing Purple Prototype actually exists somewhere out there, *exactly* as described. With rave reviews from nine year olds, no doubt. Tragic.
>Though really, what irks me most about Corran is the way he right >away becomes Wedge's best buddy. I can't remember the exact scenes, >it's been awhile since I've re-read X-wing, but it's before Corran >hooked up with Wedge's "sister" Mirax, and it's far more than a >respectful commander-subordinate dynamic.
I think its the bit where they go off and leave Corran-Stu to 'certain death' and Wedge reflects on how Corran has somehow gotten under his defences that really annoys me. I should probably say here that I love Mike's stories before I start to criticize and sound like the evil uber-nasty. I'll also admit that I can't do better than him - after all, there's a reason why he's a best-selling author. That said, *deeep breath* I thought that Wedge was severely mis-characterised here. Mike went to the trouble of telling us readers about Wedge's tendency to block out new pilots: that, I understand and agree with - since he sees a lot of death, some of which he is responsible for, emotional barriers prevent some of the pain he would otherwise have to deal with. BUT, Mike creates these barriers, then knocks them down by stating that Corran got close anyway. Yes, I understand he was trying to make Corran seem special, but he could have done that any number of ways... having Corran save Wedge's life (why not, he saves just about everyone else's), or vice-versa, or getting them together to talk about something really personal (they have enough back-story to be going on with) - anything, really. That or he should have left out the bit about Wedge's reticence toward new pilots - we know he gives a serious monkeys about his pilots Mike, you don't have to tell us why!
And if *that* makes any sense... :D
Oh yes, and the way it's *always* Corran who saves the day. At Borleias, on Coruscant, against that Lancer-class frigate, in fire-fights, ya-de-ya-de-ya. And the way Isard has this personal vendetta against Corran specifically, what did he *do*? And is it just me, but in a squadron with serious possible security concerns, albeit very very hot and good-looking ones, would Whistler *really* be allowed to keep his high level programming in place?
And to think I asked you *not* to get me started... sorry! Moving swiftly on...
I know its off-topic, but congrats to your brother. Random, yes, I know. *throws confetti* :)
Re: Sue?! What Sue!sea_wrenApril 24 2005, 19:31:39 UTC
>snipped Sue description >This had me laughing like crazy!
Really?! *the mind boggles* I should apologise for that, I think. The ranting got a tad out of hand. Although you *know* that the story of Silvriana the Wonder-Sue and her Amazing Purple Prototype actually exists somewhere out there, *exactly* as described. With rave reviews from nine year olds, no doubt. Tragic.
It made me laugh because I read a very similar Rogue Squadron story years ago on ff.n. The lead character was a pilot, former Wraith infiltrator, Jedi, and Wedge's little sister. She was dating a canon character (Pash, I think), best friends with Han & Luke, told General Cracken how to gather Intel... and so on.
I honestly thought for the first couple chapters that it was a deliberate parody, because it touched on every Mary Sue cliche ever created.
Ahhh, good memories!
I should probably say here that I love Mike's stories before I start to criticize and sound like the evil uber-nasty. I'll also admit that I can't do better than him - after all, there's a reason why he's a best-selling author
I understand-- I love Mike's writing & wish he'd be given the chance to do more in SW. But I also wish that we didn't have to see Wedge from Corran's point of view so much.
Yes, I understand he was trying to make Corran seem special, but he could have done that any number of ways... having Corran save Wedge's life (why not, he saves just about everyone else's), or vice-versa, or getting them together to talk about something really personal (they have enough back-story to be going on with) - anything, really.
Yeah, especially since he's got a ready-made bonding point: Corran falling for Mirax. A few late-night "Look, she's my baby sister more or less, why should I let you near her?" sessions would go a long way toward opening Wedge up in a more natural manner. Personally: I like bottled-up, not-gonna-trust Wedge-- I'm weird that way, yes. It makes it that much more poignant when he breaks down & lets someone in, despite himself. There's that kind of "what if" quality that gets to me: who he would have been if this big-ass galactic war didn't come along & require him to go off & be a mostly unsung hero. Wedge probably would have been your friendly neighborhood gas station attendant, greeting everyone all friendly when they pulled in for a fill-up. Instead, he's got to go off & blow stuff up and send people to their deaths and it changed him. But there's still a part of him that can't treat everyone under his command as just so much cannon fodder. Some of them are going to break through. His future "brother-in-law" would have worked, had Mike set it up that way.
And the way Isard has this personal vendetta against Corran specifically, what did he *do*?
I don't know, why did she switch her focus to him? There are bits in the X-wing books where Isard's talking about going after Rogue Squadron in particular, and she's just so chilling the way she talks about eliminating them-- she calls Wedge "Antilles" in such a cold way, but you just know he's more than the latest opponent to her. He & his skill & his pilots are standing in her way, and it's getting personal with her. Which gives me chills, in a good way! Again, weird, yes, but I like Wedge having to deal with this powerful, sociopathic woman coming after him & his people.
Dunno why exactly, it's just my h/c kink rearing its head.
I know its off-topic, but congrats to your brother. Random, yes, I know. *throws confetti* :)
Aww, thanks! After all the horror of last spring, it's so nice to have something good happen. I like her a lot, I think they'll be so good together.
What *is* a barrel roll anyway?
Lol! Lord, I think it's when a plane (or starfighter) rolls sideways, "length-wise", as if its wings weren't there it would roll like a cigar down a hill. The term probably dates back to early 20th century barn-storming pilots, when barrels where much more prevalant.
>This had me laughing like crazy!
Really?! *the mind boggles* I should apologise for that, I think. The ranting got a tad out of hand. Although you *know* that the story of Silvriana the Wonder-Sue and her Amazing Purple Prototype actually exists somewhere out there, *exactly* as described. With rave reviews from nine year olds, no doubt. Tragic.
>Though really, what irks me most about Corran is the way he right >away becomes Wedge's best buddy. I can't remember the exact scenes, >it's been awhile since I've re-read X-wing, but it's before Corran >hooked up with Wedge's "sister" Mirax, and it's far more than a >respectful commander-subordinate dynamic.
I think its the bit where they go off and leave Corran-Stu to 'certain death' and Wedge reflects on how Corran has somehow gotten under his defences that really annoys me. I should probably say here that I love Mike's stories before I start to criticize and sound like the evil uber-nasty. I'll also admit that I can't do better than him - after all, there's a reason why he's a best-selling author. That said, *deeep breath* I thought that Wedge was severely mis-characterised here. Mike went to the trouble of telling us readers about Wedge's tendency to block out new pilots: that, I understand and agree with - since he sees a lot of death, some of which he is responsible for, emotional barriers prevent some of the pain he would otherwise have to deal with. BUT, Mike creates these barriers, then knocks them down by stating that Corran got close anyway. Yes, I understand he was trying to make Corran seem special, but he could have done that any number of ways... having Corran save Wedge's life (why not, he saves just about everyone else's), or vice-versa, or getting them together to talk about something really personal (they have enough back-story to be going on with) - anything, really. That or he should have left out the bit about Wedge's reticence toward new pilots - we know he gives a serious monkeys about his pilots Mike, you don't have to tell us why!
And if *that* makes any sense... :D
Oh yes, and the way it's *always* Corran who saves the day. At Borleias, on Coruscant, against that Lancer-class frigate, in fire-fights, ya-de-ya-de-ya. And the way Isard has this personal vendetta against Corran specifically, what did he *do*? And is it just me, but in a squadron with serious possible security concerns, albeit very very hot and good-looking ones, would Whistler *really* be allowed to keep his high level programming in place?
And to think I asked you *not* to get me started... sorry! Moving swiftly on...
I know its off-topic, but congrats to your brother. Random, yes, I know. *throws confetti* :)
-Kim -x-
What *is* a barrel roll anyway?
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>This had me laughing like crazy!
Really?! *the mind boggles* I should apologise for that, I think. The ranting got a tad out of hand. Although you *know* that the story of Silvriana the Wonder-Sue and her Amazing Purple Prototype actually exists somewhere out there, *exactly* as described. With rave reviews from nine year olds, no doubt. Tragic.
It made me laugh because I read a very similar Rogue Squadron story years ago on ff.n. The lead character was a pilot, former Wraith infiltrator, Jedi, and Wedge's little sister. She was dating a canon character (Pash, I think), best friends with Han & Luke, told General Cracken how to gather Intel... and so on.
I honestly thought for the first couple chapters that it was a deliberate parody, because it touched on every Mary Sue cliche ever created.
Ahhh, good memories!
I should probably say here that I love Mike's stories before I start to criticize and sound like the evil uber-nasty. I'll also admit that I can't do better than him - after all, there's a reason why he's a best-selling author
I understand-- I love Mike's writing & wish he'd be given the chance to do more in SW. But I also wish that we didn't have to see Wedge from Corran's point of view so much.
Yes, I understand he was trying to make Corran seem special, but he could have done that any number of ways... having Corran save Wedge's life (why not, he saves just about everyone else's), or vice-versa, or getting them together to talk about something really personal (they have enough back-story to be going on with) - anything, really.
Yeah, especially since he's got a ready-made bonding point: Corran falling for Mirax. A few late-night "Look, she's my baby sister more or less, why should I let you near her?" sessions would go a long way toward opening Wedge up in a more natural manner. Personally: I like bottled-up, not-gonna-trust Wedge-- I'm weird that way, yes. It makes it that much more poignant when he breaks down & lets someone in, despite himself. There's that kind of "what if" quality that gets to me: who he would have been if this big-ass galactic war didn't come along & require him to go off & be a mostly unsung hero. Wedge probably would have been your friendly neighborhood gas station attendant, greeting everyone all friendly when they pulled in for a fill-up. Instead, he's got to go off & blow stuff up and send people to their deaths and it changed him. But there's still a part of him that can't treat everyone under his command as just so much cannon fodder. Some of them are going to break through. His future "brother-in-law" would have worked, had Mike set it up that way.
And the way Isard has this personal vendetta against Corran specifically, what did he *do*?
I don't know, why did she switch her focus to him? There are bits in the X-wing books where Isard's talking about going after Rogue Squadron in particular, and she's just so chilling the way she talks about eliminating them-- she calls Wedge "Antilles" in such a cold way, but you just know he's more than the latest opponent to her. He & his skill & his pilots are standing in her way, and it's getting personal with her. Which gives me chills, in a good way! Again, weird, yes, but I like Wedge having to deal with this powerful, sociopathic woman coming after him & his people.
Dunno why exactly, it's just my h/c kink rearing its head.
I know its off-topic, but congrats to your brother. Random, yes, I know. *throws confetti* :)
Aww, thanks! After all the horror of last spring, it's so nice to have something good happen. I like her a lot, I think they'll be so good together.
What *is* a barrel roll anyway?
Lol! Lord, I think it's when a plane (or starfighter) rolls sideways, "length-wise", as if its wings weren't there it would roll like a cigar down a hill. The term probably dates back to early 20th century barn-storming pilots, when barrels where much more prevalant.
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