TWW canon question for the flist
Do you guys know which Brooklyn neighbourhood Toby Ziegler is from?
His Wikipedia entry says "His childhood and family details are not fully known; he was from a lower-class background, and grew up in Brighton Beach, Brooklyn, New York City." But I don't know which episode they get this from -- I don't recall Toby ever explicitly stating he's from Brighton Beach. Of course, I still haven't seen Season 6 and parts of Seasons 5 and 7. Does anybody know where this comes from?
Because I don't think it's correct, not if we take into consideration that Toby is one of Mark Richardson's constituents:
RICHARDSON: Yeah, but I don't think that was my point. If you have money, you have a greater life expectancy across the board. You're going to have better health care, better shelter, better lawyers, and if you've got whatever equivalent of today's $300 is, you get to be united behind the war effort without actually fighting the war. And you're one of my constituents, too, Toby, so I shouldn't have to tell you that.
TOBY: You don't, Congressman. I was just on the job tonight.
And if we take into consideration that Mark Richardson's district includes Bedford-Stuyvesant...
TOBY: Congressman, I'm afraid I have some bad news. One of your constituents died today. Gunnery Sergeant Harold Dokes from Bedford-Stuyvesant.
...then we can map Richardson's district to New York's 10th district, which includes the "neighborhoods of Bedford-Stuyvesant, Brooklyn Heights, Brownsville, Canarsie and East New York, as well as parts of Fort Greene and Williamsburg."
For my Toby back-story, I'd rather not use Brighton Beach if I don't have to. I prefer Brownsville, which is considered the birthplace of Murder, Inc.
Strangely, I remember reading the Toby Ziegler entry on Wikipedia before, and I remember it saying Toby was from Brownsville. I don't know why the entry has been edited to say Brighton Beach instead. That doesn't even make any sense, unless John Wells makes that canon somewhere in Seasons 5-7. (In which case, I'll cheerfully ignore it. Heck, I plan to ignore it anyway. I want Brownsville for Toby and Nikki.)
...it's possible I'm obsessing a little here. Time for lunch.
ETA: Also from Wikipedia: "The diploma on the wall of his office indicated that he had a doctorate in Communications, though the issuing school is unknown." What?? Screencap please?
ETA2: Oh Sorkin, either you suck at math and/or research, or you just don't care about mapping the TWW-verse to real life.
RICHARDSON: Hmm. What was your lottery number?
TOBY: 125. It was the last six months of the draft. It went up to 90 that year... but I didn't have the '300 bucks'.
The second-last lottery for the draft only applied to men born in 1952, and the number went up to 95 in 1972. "The lottery drawing held August 5, 1971, determined the order in which men born in 1952 were called to report for induction into the military [in the year 1972]." The last lottery applied to men born in 1953, but in 1973 the war ended and their numbers were never called. So Toby, if he was born December 23, 1954, would have never gotten a lottery number in the first place. (Selective Services System: History and Records)
His Wikipedia entry says "His childhood and family details are not fully known; he was from a lower-class background, and grew up in Brighton Beach, Brooklyn, New York City." But I don't know which episode they get this from -- I don't recall Toby ever explicitly stating he's from Brighton Beach. Of course, I still haven't seen Season 6 and parts of Seasons 5 and 7. Does anybody know where this comes from?
Because I don't think it's correct, not if we take into consideration that Toby is one of Mark Richardson's constituents:
RICHARDSON: Yeah, but I don't think that was my point. If you have money, you have a greater life expectancy across the board. You're going to have better health care, better shelter, better lawyers, and if you've got whatever equivalent of today's $300 is, you get to be united behind the war effort without actually fighting the war. And you're one of my constituents, too, Toby, so I shouldn't have to tell you that.
TOBY: You don't, Congressman. I was just on the job tonight.
And if we take into consideration that Mark Richardson's district includes Bedford-Stuyvesant...
TOBY: Congressman, I'm afraid I have some bad news. One of your constituents died today. Gunnery Sergeant Harold Dokes from Bedford-Stuyvesant.
...then we can map Richardson's district to New York's 10th district, which includes the "neighborhoods of Bedford-Stuyvesant, Brooklyn Heights, Brownsville, Canarsie and East New York, as well as parts of Fort Greene and Williamsburg."
For my Toby back-story, I'd rather not use Brighton Beach if I don't have to. I prefer Brownsville, which is considered the birthplace of Murder, Inc.
Strangely, I remember reading the Toby Ziegler entry on Wikipedia before, and I remember it saying Toby was from Brownsville. I don't know why the entry has been edited to say Brighton Beach instead. That doesn't even make any sense, unless John Wells makes that canon somewhere in Seasons 5-7. (In which case, I'll cheerfully ignore it. Heck, I plan to ignore it anyway. I want Brownsville for Toby and Nikki.)
...it's possible I'm obsessing a little here. Time for lunch.
ETA: Also from Wikipedia: "The diploma on the wall of his office indicated that he had a doctorate in Communications, though the issuing school is unknown." What?? Screencap please?
ETA2: Oh Sorkin, either you suck at math and/or research, or you just don't care about mapping the TWW-verse to real life.
RICHARDSON: Hmm. What was your lottery number?
TOBY: 125. It was the last six months of the draft. It went up to 90 that year... but I didn't have the '300 bucks'.
The second-last lottery for the draft only applied to men born in 1952, and the number went up to 95 in 1972. "The lottery drawing held August 5, 1971, determined the order in which men born in 1952 were called to report for induction into the military [in the year 1972]." The last lottery applied to men born in 1953, but in 1973 the war ended and their numbers were never called. So Toby, if he was born December 23, 1954, would have never gotten a lottery number in the first place. (Selective Services System: History and Records)