Re: [Locked]glompwitchFebruary 27 2010, 09:29:23 UTC
There's a fair chance it's the girl who was my immediate subordinate... Her name is Pidonus Marasia, and like me, she was researching Digital Worlds. It'd make sense for her to show up too.
Myey's a master schemer, able to manipulate people to her own ends seemingly without fail... But she's not very good at the 'trust' thing. She suspects even people she literally owns the soul of - and thus has absolute control over. So while she trains them to be the best minions and mid-level aides possible... She explicitly avoids training them to be able to organize an effective evil plot without her.
If, and this is a big if, Myey's not involved, then it's guaranteed that Pidonus - or whichever other minion of Myey's it is - is making basic mistakes galore. Things like not dealing with the poisonous ash associated with a volcano lair, or minionizing people who are exceptionally poorly suited to being minions in spite of their abilities.
And if it's Pidonus specifically? They're not likely to be very thoroughly brainwashed, and she's probably screwed it up a few times. She's exceptionally skilled with charms and hypnosis for getting information, but minionizing wasn't something she was too good at. I will seriously bet you good money that a loophole sufficient for them to stop her exists in at least one of them... Especially because, admittedly for sensible reasons, she doesn't use the same details twice.
But... There's something wrong if it's one of Myey's minions.
Re: [Locked]glompwitchFebruary 27 2010, 09:50:59 UTC
Think about it.
When I came here, my soul was restored to me. Probably because mystical ties get broken in the transfer, so it had to so that I could live. But I found myself here with free will again, and I've been trying to do good since. You've seen that, and I will happily accept any truth test to prove it.
Unless Myey herself has shown up... Shouldn't anyone else of hers who arrived also have had their free will restored?
But if Myey herself has shown up, there's no modest chance I'd no longer have my free will. Old contracts could have kicked back in on her arrival. But the fact that I haven't suddenly decided to seduce and brainwash more than half of the faculty and students of MAGI indicates that isn't the case.
It's a contradiction. If Myey isn't here, she should have her will back. If Myey is, I shouldn't have mine.
Re: [Locked]scrapperzenFebruary 27 2010, 09:57:31 UTC
Ah.
I take it you haven't considered the elaborate possibilities, or the downright depressing ones.
For example... If you were brought here before your former mistress, then it's entirely possible that the bond was broken. Or, for whatever reason, Yggdrasil may have thought you'd be better off with free will.
On the other hand... depending on how long an existence goes, free will may just be an illusion. Devotion to a cause that persists long after the cause itself has ceased to be.
But... these are simply idle theories. And while they pose a peripheral interest, they're probably not going to help us here. If this is one of yours, and it's a BIG if... do you have any thoughts on how to break the hold?
Re: [Locked]glompwitchFebruary 27 2010, 10:11:36 UTC
If it's Pidonus? We can either get her to break them out of it, or use the same methods to cancel it out. So if they were minionized via hypnosis, use hypnosis in turn. If charmed, charm in turn to create a motivational split that will open their minds to normal disenchanting - which otherwise would be painfully difficult and require significant psychotherapy. Pidonus won't likely have ordered them to resist such things from people that aren't her - again, a detail she'd miss, but Myey wouldn't.
... There's another possibility. Yggdrasill doesn't seem to change people. No memories shifted or the like. Only what's needed due to the isolation.
While I'm an exception thanks to a contractual loophole, most of Myey's minions are trained to forget anything from before they were her minion - to literally think of her as a mother and creator, to make them behave more servile. She could in fact be fully free-willed... And not realize it because she can't remember being so before.
Myey's a master schemer, able to manipulate people to her own ends seemingly without fail... But she's not very good at the 'trust' thing. She suspects even people she literally owns the soul of - and thus has absolute control over. So while she trains them to be the best minions and mid-level aides possible... She explicitly avoids training them to be able to organize an effective evil plot without her.
If, and this is a big if, Myey's not involved, then it's guaranteed that Pidonus - or whichever other minion of Myey's it is - is making basic mistakes galore. Things like not dealing with the poisonous ash associated with a volcano lair, or minionizing people who are exceptionally poorly suited to being minions in spite of their abilities.
And if it's Pidonus specifically? They're not likely to be very thoroughly brainwashed, and she's probably screwed it up a few times. She's exceptionally skilled with charms and hypnosis for getting information, but minionizing wasn't something she was too good at. I will seriously bet you good money that a loophole sufficient for them to stop her exists in at least one of them... Especially because, admittedly for sensible reasons, she doesn't use the same details twice.
But... There's something wrong if it's one of Myey's minions.
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Please, elaborate. I'm taking notes on this...
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When I came here, my soul was restored to me. Probably because mystical ties get broken in the transfer, so it had to so that I could live. But I found myself here with free will again, and I've been trying to do good since. You've seen that, and I will happily accept any truth test to prove it.
Unless Myey herself has shown up... Shouldn't anyone else of hers who arrived also have had their free will restored?
But if Myey herself has shown up, there's no modest chance I'd no longer have my free will. Old contracts could have kicked back in on her arrival. But the fact that I haven't suddenly decided to seduce and brainwash more than half of the faculty and students of MAGI indicates that isn't the case.
It's a contradiction. If Myey isn't here, she should have her will back. If Myey is, I shouldn't have mine.
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I take it you haven't considered the elaborate possibilities, or the downright depressing ones.
For example... If you were brought here before your former mistress, then it's entirely possible that the bond was broken. Or, for whatever reason, Yggdrasil may have thought you'd be better off with free will.
On the other hand... depending on how long an existence goes, free will may just be an illusion. Devotion to a cause that persists long after the cause itself has ceased to be.
But... these are simply idle theories. And while they pose a peripheral interest, they're probably not going to help us here. If this is one of yours, and it's a BIG if... do you have any thoughts on how to break the hold?
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... There's another possibility. Yggdrasill doesn't seem to change people. No memories shifted or the like. Only what's needed due to the isolation.
While I'm an exception thanks to a contractual loophole, most of Myey's minions are trained to forget anything from before they were her minion - to literally think of her as a mother and creator, to make them behave more servile. She could in fact be fully free-willed... And not realize it because she can't remember being so before.
That route... God, that'd be sad...
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