pokémon -- ohio is for lovers (2/2)
title: ohio is for lovers
wordcount: 2461
rating: PG
summary: Twenty secrets, twenty different ways to say I love you; different people have different ways of expressing themselves, and it doesn't have to be through words.
( Ten and another ten. )
wordcount: 2461
rating: PG
summary: Twenty secrets, twenty different ways to say I love you; different people have different ways of expressing themselves, and it doesn't have to be through words.
( Ten and another ten. )
Well, I do like it when there is an opportunity to interpret a character however loosely you want, and I'm sure many people will agree. PokeSpe set him up to be a huge Big Bad/Magnificent Bastard, and certainly in the games he is much of one. However, as is the case with Organisation XIII from Kingdom Hearts, I do believe he is that way because of some reason -- nobody is pure evil 'just because they can' or whatever. Sure, they may have been born with the seed of, um, evil already sown, but then and again, this goes back to the whole nature vs nurture thing. It may have already been in Cyrus's nature to shun companionship and alienate himself, but at the same time, the lack of nurturing (well, at least, how I see it) was also a contributing factor to his being a soulless, heartless monster. So whilst he may have had noble aspirations as a boy, perhaps something snapped in him and he became an extremist. -shrug- That's sort of how I see it.
...orz, sorry for the long-winded, rather pointless little commentary.
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Oh he's still a Maginificent Bastard, but he's got a reason for it. He has a reason for believing that rebooting the universe is the only way to save it. He has a reason for believing that getting rid of emotion is the only way to preserve peace. And what's more is that we understand where he's coming from. Coming from him, it sounds almost reasonable. Almost being the difference of course.
You want to stop him, no doubt, even as a player. But then there's frustration because once you beat him, that's it. You can't help him. And that depresses me.
I've no doubt he would have been crazy without those influences. But consider the other most famous resident of Sunyshore, Volkner. Also antisocial, also emotionally stunted, also prefers machines to people, also a terminal perfectionist. But he manages just fine, and even has scenes where he's happy. Cyrus, I tend to think, would have been more like that. Crazy, but managable and even fun.
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Yeah, I get, I get. Perhaps he wanted to rid the world of all emotion because those were what made him snap in the first place, I don't know. Again, interpretations. Certainly, I find him a lot more sympathetic in the games (and rather more compellingly unbalanced) than in PokeSpe, where he's pretty much...well, the Big Bad of the arc.
Mm. You can't help him, but he's not going to give up his admittedly rather demented goals -- I'm sure in his mind he views his motives as 'the greater good', and that in his disillusioned, disenchanted state he genuinely believes he can change the world for the better...or something along those lines.
Fun Cyrus! That's a quirkly little concept to wrap my head around. But yes, perhaps had he...not turned out the way he was, he would definitely have been...well, a pillar of society, I guess? After he's cast into the Distortion World, I can't help but think of that wasted brilliance, and how he could have used it in a less destructive manner, and concentrated on other things.
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Oooh, you want his backstory? Lemme get the quote.
"That Badge...
Its from Sunnyshore's Gym?
You've been to that port town then...
Would...Would you lend an ear to this old man's tale?
My grandson grew up in that city by the sea. Worn down by trying to live up to his parents' expectations, he found refuge in tinkering with machines. I wonder even now if I should have taken him in and raised him myself. Though I'm not certain if it would have been a good choice or not...
I don't think anyone could say.
I'm sorry, I shouldn't have said any of this to you..."
(If you say no, he says "No...I shouldn't burden you with this." Clearly being an emotionally stunted drama queen runs in the family)
So basically, he was so unhappy as a child that he snapped at an early age and wanted to make it so that no one was ever unhappy again...by making it so they could never feel anything again.
Yeah, I agree that he really could have truly changed the world if he hadn't been so single-minded. I think that's what Saturn is doing in the postgame, working as a means to show that, while Cyrus's methods were bad, his overall aim, stripped of its extremism, wasn't.
Say, do you have any instant messengers?
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Aaaah! Thank you for finding and copying it down for me *u* Much appreciated. Oh god, I really, really wish I found this earlier. Gives us quite an insight into what he had been like, that does. Really, thanks muchoes.
(Ahaha, I can't agree more. 'Emotionally stunted drama queen running in the family' made me snort so loudly orz)
That would certainly seem to be so. Perhaps he had been exposed to a range of strong, albeit negative emotions by not being able to live up to the expectations of his parents, and that was what led to his downfall. This sort of brings to mind that idea of positive reinforcement, and now that I've read that dialogue, it appears to be that he never really got much of that. Well, all I can say is, dang, Cyrus. Just...yeah.
Indeed! I mean, with that kind of intelligence and aptitude, he could have been like any of the Professors, and helped the world as opposed to trying to obliterate it. Saturn didn't strike me as the kind to be driven by such a motive, but I suppose that's where more speculation comes in. Perhaps for Cyrus, the ends had come to justify the means, and he didn't care if anybody suffered collateral damage in the process, since it was only a small sacrifice for the grand visions of 'a greater good' that he had.
Yes I do, though it depends on which one you are asking about.
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I think with Cyrus, any sacrifice made would be temporary. Yeah he has that line about having the world be only for him (which I think the anime writers took far too literally), but then he says twice that there will be others there, including people he hates (ie, the player character and Cynthia, to name just two). So I would tend to think that a large part of the population would be "reborn" so to speak in his new creation. Which is probably how he's able to justify very violent acts to himself while believing himself to be a pacifist, because in the "end", it wouldn't matter.
Yeah, you need to read DPA. There's a part where it becomes apparent that he doesn't know how to feel anything else because he's only ever felt hatred and anger. It's really sad.
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Hmm, can't really say anything there because I haven't been following the anime - I gave up after the Johto Journeys because there was so much to keep up with! I bet he'd say he doesn't really hate them per se - not when he's trying to convey the impression that he has no emotions -- after all, hate is still an emotion, albeit a strong, intense one; it's a bit surprising that he'll fully be able to 'hate', but eh, that's another matter I guess.
;___; O-oh my goodness. My sympathy for him just about skyrocketed.
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WHAT REALLY. Is that snippet on Bulbapedia? I have to find it. As painful and heartwrenchingly tear-inducing as it is, I need to find it - extra characterisation is always nice.
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I swear, that quote of his at the end...it's beautiful. It's like he's breaking apart and he doesn't quite accept or know it's happening, and just sort of lashes out in all his bitterness and uncertainty.
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Yeah really. There's a real sense that he doesn't quite know how to feel, like the sensations are strange to him even though it's obvious that they're not unfamiliar. If anything, I would think that his natural emotional state is stronger than normal, and that trying to shut them off is the only way he can control them.
I picked up DPA8 today, the final volume. And honestly, it's beautiful, The ending he has is really hopeful. Heck, I'm writing a fic about it right now and I'm gonna post it so you'll probably see it soon.
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That's a good argument. I haven't seen things that way before, but it certainly seems to make sense now that I think about it.
Ooh, yes, I've seen it around! I'll go check it out soon (: And, yes, I'll definitely start reading DPA, too. It sounds very intriguing.
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Yeah, Platinum just didn't sit well with me in general. And his ending is far too tragic. Granted, the only thing preventing him from leaving the Distortion World is his own stubbornness, but that aspect has already gotten him to the point he's at. Really I wish there was a way to get his grandfather to him.
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It's alright, though -- I have DP, so the script for that game is no problem for me.
Hmm, all I know is that he ended up being cast away into the Distortion World...and left with pretty much no escape and no chance at redemption...wait. I, um, don't really get it. So why exactly can't he leave it? Mmhm, same here, but at the same time, I doubt he will accept anybody who tries to reach out to him, especially given the point he has reached :/ I don't knowww.
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And really, it's never said. A lot of people assume that he can't leave, but the player character and Cynthia have no problem leaving, so I would assume that he could leave any time he wanted. Mars says she's going to go look for him, so if she finds him, she can...I donno, hit him on the head and drag him out or something.
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