Poor Haley. You've always had such a great voice for Haley. She's a very sensitive person, in the fact that she's so empathetic and feels the pain and joy of others so profoundly. It's what makes her such an amazing person but it's also what makes things so tough for her. And you really showed that here.
She's just all over the place right now. She's the kind of person who hates feeling useless, who hates not being to fix things and help the ones she loves. Even when she knows it shouldn't all be on her and she has her own life to live. If she feels she can help a loved one, she wants to do it.
So you really showed how this thing with Karen is weighing her down. It really came out in her conversation with Peyton. Although I think part of her frustration there was also due to Nathan having shown up on her doorstep.
But yeah, I can understand why Haley was mad at Peyton for not telling her right away but I understand Peyton's side more and feel she was justified in what she did. Because Peyton's right. Haley can't balance her own life and worrying about Karen all the time. Haley can't be there for every session. She just can't. And maybe Peyton could've told Haley right away, but she knew Haley well enough to know she'd be freaking out about it when she had Chelsea's party to enjoy.
For me, this chapter really showed that Haley needs to be in Tree Hill right now. Her relationship with Karen and Luke and Peyton is of the kind that -- with the cancer situation -- Haley needs to be near the ones she loves. Yeah, there's med school but there are med schools over there too. And Haley does need to give Nathan more credit for being astute...she doesn't really belong in CA. At least not anymore. This is mostly my personal opinion though, maybe I'm wrong. But Tree Hill has and always will be her home. But more than that, her family is her home and her family needs her right now. Whether that be Karen and Luke and Peyton because of the cancer situation or Nathan who's finally realized what he wants and isn't willing to give up on her and them.
But yeah, everything is changing and I think it really freaks Haley out. She's a person who's gone through alot of change in her life, but alot of it has been change that was unexpected or unwelcome. Change that hurt her, that was tough, that she wasn't prepared for. She can deal with change that she herself instigates (like cutting and coloring her hair) but that other stuff -- the stuff she has no control over -- doesn't work for her. She likes things organized, neat, and simple. Not crazy, chaotic, and out of control.
Like her emotions are right now with all this change occurring that only makes her feel more and more uncertain about everything.
Also, about the N/H stuff. I was both surprised and yet not surprised that Nathan came to get her. I know he said he was going to, but I'm still kind of like Haley in some ways...not quite willing to believe him entirely.
And what I want to say doesn't always fit in 1 comment...sugangel7May 22 2009, 06:40:19 UTC
Anyways, I really enjoyed their interaction in this chapter. Although it did serve to highlight how both of them are in such different places right now when it comes to their heads and their hearts. Nathan's ready to take a chance on them; he's certain of what he wants. Haley is doing her best to keep her heart guarded; she has no idea what she wants but she knows she's not ready to get hurt again.
Also, must quote this part:
“I don’t want to hurt him, but I don’t want to be hurt either. Nathan just has these crazy expectations that we can just be together, but we don’t really know each other anymore. He doesn’t know me or the things I’ve done, so what if when he discovers those things, it’s not what he wants? What then?”
This part really stuck out to me. It not only highlights the differences I mentioned above but I'm interested in seeing what is it that Haley's afraid of Nathan finding out about her. Does it have to do with what happened with her after the divorce?
And what she said is also interesting because, in one sense, she almost admitted to the fact that maybe she does want to be with Nathan again but she's just afraid of not being what he wants again. And it has to do with the person she is now, the no-longer-'naive'-sixteen-year-old. And yet, Nathan's not the same person either and he knows that and he's gone through alot of crap as well with the whole rape accusation. He's had to grow as a person but some things stay the same. And him wanting Haley is one of those things.
It's interesting too. That part of the conversation where she said that she wasn't enough for him the first time around and he says that that's not fair. And he's right that it isn't but at the same time that's really how Haley feels and I understand why she does. But again, I think he's always wanted Haley and she was always enough but he was just stubborn and bitter at the time of the divorce.
Those two have alot of issues to work through and I'm interested in seeing how this week progresses. Will they even touch any of those issues or will it be like walking on eggshells around each other? Will things be uncomfortably awkward or uncomfortably normal or a bit of both? I'm very intrigued to see.
Also, I hope Nathan convinces Haley to go back to Tree Hill. Not for his (and their relationship's) sake, but for her own sake. And hey, if it gets her where he wants her (close to him -- proximity-wise I mean) then who can fault the guy?
Poor Haley. You've always had such a great voice for Haley. She's a very sensitive person, in the fact that she's so empathetic and feels the pain and joy of others so profoundly. It's what makes her such an amazing person but it's also what makes things so tough for her. And you really showed that here.
She's just all over the place right now. She's the kind of person who hates feeling useless, who hates not being to fix things and help the ones she loves. Even when she knows it shouldn't all be on her and she has her own life to live. If she feels she can help a loved one, she wants to do it.
So you really showed how this thing with Karen is weighing her down. It really came out in her conversation with Peyton. Although I think part of her frustration there was also due to Nathan having shown up on her doorstep.
But yeah, I can understand why Haley was mad at Peyton for not telling her right away but I understand Peyton's side more and feel she was justified in what she did. Because Peyton's right. Haley can't balance her own life and worrying about Karen all the time. Haley can't be there for every session. She just can't. And maybe Peyton could've told Haley right away, but she knew Haley well enough to know she'd be freaking out about it when she had Chelsea's party to enjoy.
For me, this chapter really showed that Haley needs to be in Tree Hill right now. Her relationship with Karen and Luke and Peyton is of the kind that -- with the cancer situation -- Haley needs to be near the ones she loves. Yeah, there's med school but there are med schools over there too. And Haley does need to give Nathan more credit for being astute...she doesn't really belong in CA. At least not anymore. This is mostly my personal opinion though, maybe I'm wrong. But Tree Hill has and always will be her home. But more than that, her family is her home and her family needs her right now. Whether that be Karen and Luke and Peyton because of the cancer situation or Nathan who's finally realized what he wants and isn't willing to give up on her and them.
But yeah, everything is changing and I think it really freaks Haley out. She's a person who's gone through alot of change in her life, but alot of it has been change that was unexpected or unwelcome. Change that hurt her, that was tough, that she wasn't prepared for. She can deal with change that she herself instigates (like cutting and coloring her hair) but that other stuff -- the stuff she has no control over -- doesn't work for her. She likes things organized, neat, and simple. Not crazy, chaotic, and out of control.
Like her emotions are right now with all this change occurring that only makes her feel more and more uncertain about everything.
Also, about the N/H stuff. I was both surprised and yet not surprised that Nathan came to get her. I know he said he was going to, but I'm still kind of like Haley in some ways...not quite willing to believe him entirely.
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Also, must quote this part:
“I don’t want to hurt him, but I don’t want to be hurt either. Nathan just has these crazy expectations that we can just be together, but we don’t really know each other anymore. He doesn’t know me or the things I’ve done, so what if when he discovers those things, it’s not what he wants? What then?”
This part really stuck out to me. It not only highlights the differences I mentioned above but I'm interested in seeing what is it that Haley's afraid of Nathan finding out about her. Does it have to do with what happened with her after the divorce?
And what she said is also interesting because, in one sense, she almost admitted to the fact that maybe she does want to be with Nathan again but she's just afraid of not being what he wants again. And it has to do with the person she is now, the no-longer-'naive'-sixteen-year-old. And yet, Nathan's not the same person either and he knows that and he's gone through alot of crap as well with the whole rape accusation. He's had to grow as a person but some things stay the same. And him wanting Haley is one of those things.
It's interesting too. That part of the conversation where she said that she wasn't enough for him the first time around and he says that that's not fair. And he's right that it isn't but at the same time that's really how Haley feels and I understand why she does. But again, I think he's always wanted Haley and she was always enough but he was just stubborn and bitter at the time of the divorce.
Those two have alot of issues to work through and I'm interested in seeing how this week progresses. Will they even touch any of those issues or will it be like walking on eggshells around each other? Will things be uncomfortably awkward or uncomfortably normal or a bit of both? I'm very intrigued to see.
Also, I hope Nathan convinces Haley to go back to Tree Hill. Not for his (and their relationship's) sake, but for her own sake. And hey, if it gets her where he wants her (close to him -- proximity-wise I mean) then who can fault the guy?
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