Ok so this was a Myspace series of communications. There may be ongoing chapters if he replies. As Back Ground this is some 19 year old Boy angry at the world. ( Read more... )
Socialism, in the modern sense, is a political system of social support for all citizens regardless of position. This is egalitarian in nature, but far from a redistribution. There is no ownership of wealth by The Government. The methods of production are given in trust to the producers of that product or service, and the govt is given care to regulate the equality of its distribution. The actual production itself, is still owned by corporations/individuals/etc. Except, any production vital to the social interest like energy, waste, and some food is managed strictly by the govt. You hit the proverbial nail when you said modern sense. People sticking to that old definition are not speaking of modern Socialism, they are at least a century behind in their definition.
Karl Marx would be the father of modern Socialism, as would Engels(who advocated private ownership), and Berstein(who refuted Marxism, and advocated trade unions and using capitalism and democracy to power Socialism).
Communism is separate from Socialism. Its emphasis on revolution and violence, state ownership and control, and forced work is antithetical to modern Socialism. Its roots date to some same individuals more than a century ago. You did say something else provacative here. The US is a mildly Socialist country, in the modern sense. It would have been viewed as progressive liberal at its institution, but the modern view is Socialist. The govt manages vital industry and social services.
Fair Tax requires so much oversight to work that it becomes worthless almost immediately.
Modern socialism.... An egalitarian system of distribution, Therefore an Immoral system. And the False illusion and LIE that people are actually free an downing property. In the end, considering the rules of eminent domain and the Fabian Society doctrine The only difference between modern socialism and the Soviet Model is Smoke and Mirrors. The illusion that property rights still matter and the illusion that you own what you create.
Modern socialism is essentially fabianism. It has been the European model for decades, as it has here in the US since the progressive movement. We are progressing towards a society of enslavement and bondage to the needs of others.
And the current tax code isn't bogged down in Oversight? Have your read the Fair Tax books?
There is no right to property ownership in this country. You only have the right to contract ownership. The land all belongs to the govt which is run by the people, eminent domain. You are making a fundamental error in your other assertion that fair distribution involves REdistribution. Nobody is having anything taken away. The primary smoke and mirrors involved in modern society is that the bottom of the chain, that is you and I, have control over the means and distribution of our production. What ensures this is Socialist production in parts of the world. In the US, there will not be any of the things you mentioned without changing the system, as it currently stands. The corporate rich and powerful own and control almost all production and distribution and use the money and power to control the govt to keep it in their hands. The only real difference between Republican and Democrat, until the insertion of the freakshow religious right, is what they lied about to get elected.
Also, there is nothing immoral about fair and equal distribution. You need to elaborate this for it to make any sense. Any tax systems that cost too much are useless. As far as tax systems go, the US is still stuck in a feudal system of tiers of inefficiency. The only route is to go back to the original system of apportion. Kept low, it will be affordable to even the most indigent, and additional income can be derived from those who dont contribute to the economy, the free-floating rich. This isnt re-distribution, its having those who benefit the most from a free democracy being the ones who pay more.
Karl Marx would be the father of modern Socialism, as would Engels(who advocated private ownership), and Berstein(who refuted Marxism, and advocated trade unions and using capitalism and democracy to power Socialism).
Communism is separate from Socialism. Its emphasis on revolution and violence, state ownership and control, and forced work is antithetical to modern Socialism. Its roots date to some same individuals more than a century ago. You did say something else provacative here. The US is a mildly Socialist country, in the modern sense. It would have been viewed as progressive liberal at its institution, but the modern view is Socialist. The govt manages vital industry and social services.
Fair Tax requires so much oversight to work that it becomes worthless almost immediately.
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Modern socialism is essentially fabianism. It has been the European model for decades, as it has here in the US since the progressive movement. We are progressing towards a society of enslavement and bondage to the needs of others.
And the current tax code isn't bogged down in Oversight? Have your read the Fair Tax books?
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Also, there is nothing immoral about fair and equal distribution. You need to elaborate this for it to make any sense. Any tax systems that cost too much are useless. As far as tax systems go, the US is still stuck in a feudal system of tiers of inefficiency. The only route is to go back to the original system of apportion. Kept low, it will be affordable to even the most indigent, and additional income can be derived from those who dont contribute to the economy, the free-floating rich. This isnt re-distribution, its having those who benefit the most from a free democracy being the ones who pay more.
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