"I'm glad you're here, Merlin."

Jun 20, 2011 13:09

So, I'm in the process of re-watching/catching-up with Merlin, listening to all the series 1 & 2 commentaries, and watching nearly every damn wonderful interview/behind-the-scenes feature/video diary (a.k.a. The Bradley & Colin Show), from the snuggly adorable giggling that is Tony Head to Katie McGrath: the most fabulous not-so-secret Arthur/ ( Read more... )

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ravyn_ashling June 21 2011, 08:43:39 UTC
oh, man. i am loving on this post SO. HARD. right now. i have a lot of thoughts about this subject, actually--bottles and buckets and drums of thoughts and feelings about LGBTQ representation in pop culture--but i think i'll have to take some time to organise them first and maybe write them as a new post after i re-read everything you've written here when i get home.

i just have to say, though, i am so so so with you about the bisexual issues in the LGBTQ community. because from where i'm seeing it, as someone who has been attracted to both sexes for as long as she can remember, most of those people might as well have removed the "B" from the acronym and merged us with the "Q".

and also, this line from Aja's entry: fans of their characters will have to come to terms with their gayness-- idk whether you even watch the show and i believe she wrote this way before Blaine Anderson happened to Kurt Hummel in Glee, but it adds another explanation for my lack of interest in those two already-from-the-start openly gay and proud ( ... )

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saramir August 30 2011, 20:15:14 UTC
Ahhhh I can't believe how belated this response is, but hi there! I really appreciate this comment. I am so happy you're with me on a lot of these things. Especially on the B/Q point, which you put quite nicely. I would LOVE to hear your buckets of thoughts on LGBTQ representation in pop culture -- did you write a post I might've missed, or are you still processing/organizing thoughts?

I'm pretty sure I'm the only person I know who hasn't actually watched Glee, haha (okay, of course I've heard some of the songs, but that's it), but oi, the rants I've heard about that show. *shakes head* And I too love that line about fans coming to terms with a character's gayness. It is so very much what I hope to do with my own writing sometime, and I want to see it in so many more writer's work too.

Exactly! I don't want to fail to recognize the showrunners who are doing some work toward better queer representation, but at the same time it is so far from being enough, it's ridiculous.

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gleeful_t June 21 2011, 16:17:37 UTC
Okay FINE GEOFFREY AND TRISTAN CAN GET TOGETHER FOR REAL AND WE'LL SEE IT ( ... )

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saramir August 30 2011, 20:27:07 UTC
(Typically belated response, act surprised ( ... )

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peachchild336 June 25 2011, 00:00:51 UTC
This is a beautifully eloquent post about an issue I feel strongly about for two reasons: 1) It illustrates everything I feel about the things that the LGBTQ community really needs right now concerning pop culture and 2) it illustrates everything I feel women need in pop culture as well. We need strong, empowered women who are happy being single and sexy and don't need a man to suddenly teach them how to live their lives or to tell them how they'll be happier if they're married and having kids.

And I think we need smart writers writing TV shows and movies who write gay text intelligently. Because at this point, most of the gay characters we have at our disposal (with the beautiful exception of the beautiful omnisexual Captain Jack) are stereotypes, and that is almost more wounding to the gay tolerance movement than having no exposure for it at all. Kurt on Glee? He's like a terrible caricature of what it is to be a gay teenager, and I'm sure most gay boys would not in any way feel able to relate to him at all; it all pushes all ( ... )

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saramir October 23 2011, 22:52:24 UTC
AHHH BELATED RESPONSE but I appreciate this comment so. Much. I love absolutely all your thoughts here. And I'm so glad you found me eloquent in my post -- I'm feeling less so in the comments, haha.

I completely agree with what you've said about the double-sided problems with writing stereotypically effeminate gay caricatures. I don't watch Glee, but I've heard enough about it to know who Kurt is, and I think one of the (many) things that's put me off from watching the show is that there doesn't seem to be anything genuine or new about the gay characters, aside from the fact that they are gay on a network show. I want to be like: Hey, writers! Funny thing: each queer person is a different person, just like each straight person is a different person! Shocker. Which goes with your point: we need writers who are writing more intelligently, for real ( ... )

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peachchild336 April 23 2012, 13:37:26 UTC
AND YOU THOUGHT YOUR RESPONSE WAS BELATED ( ... )

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nova33 June 29 2011, 13:53:41 UTC
I have so many thoughts about this post! I am not guaranteeing that they will in any way make sense, so I apologize in advance for the rambling ( ... )

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saramir October 24 2011, 04:23:02 UTC
Hey, lady! SUPER BELATED RESPONSE TIME. You know how I roll.

Ugh, getting these sorts of thoughts handwaved is one of the most frustrating things ever. I want you to bite your tongue less often and sit people down and start yelling at them more often, lol seriously, for you can be scary when impassioned and maybe there would be fewer idiots wandering about if you gave them a talking to. Just saying.

Related to your serious-but-naive hope that there would've been a bisexual relationship on Glee, I feel the same way now that I'm watching H50. I feel like when it comes to wishing there would be more fluid sexualities and queer relationships in television, I am this weird mixture of too naively optimistic but also ragingly cynical; it just depends on what time of day you talk with me about it, haha.

But yeah, H50: all the Feelings I had while writing this post have been magnified even more than usual lately. Because. Because! Steve and Danny are so in obviously love and good for each other, why can't it just BE TEXT ON THE SHOW, H50 ( ... )

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_profiterole_ October 18 2011, 20:24:55 UTC
Here from ravyn_ashling's post, because I will say "THIS!" to any post asking for some canon gayness in the middle of all the teasing (and I remember bookshop's post about it).

I didn't watch the last season of GREEK, but I loved that the show had several canon gay relationships, and some f/f experimenting at some point.

About bisexual characters, there is Bo, the lead character of the Canadian show Lost Girl. She's a succubus, so kind of the female Jack Harkness. ^^ I'm definitely recommending it, even though I'm not always happy about the way things are evolving. And that's about it for bisexual characters, I'm afraid. :-(

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saramir October 24 2011, 16:58:43 UTC
Aw, thanks for stopping by! I'm so glad you agree with the need for more canon queerness.

Yes! Greek's gay relationships were written far better than any others I've seen on tv yet. And yeah, I thought that even Rebecca's brief f/f experimentation was written/performed better than most others I've seen on tv, mainly because although she continued to identify as straight after they'd sorted things out, she did seem to recognize that attraction isn't always quite so black and white.

OMG bisexual leading lady on tv? Awesome! I'm in the US but I will definitely seek out streaming links for Lost Girl. Haha the phrase "kind of the female Jack Harkness" should be enough of a sell for anyone, I hope. Thanks so much for the rec!

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_profiterole_ October 24 2011, 19:04:52 UTC
I'm really surprised neither of you had heard of Lost Girl before. A lot of people on my flist watch it. I'm in France, so I get it online, but I think someone mentioned Season 1 was on in the US these days (probably on cable TV, I guess).

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