~Hee, backward slasher! See, I don't see that as backward at all. I don't just slash two guys 'cause they're pretty, I need to see the chemistry (no matter how minute, lol), before I can slash them. And this? So canon. It always surprises that they don't just sleep in the same room.
~Which is interesting, because Chris followed Vin's lead into helping the Seminole, but after that he was *clearly* the leader of the whole group. So there's some sort of interesting relationship dynamics going on there, it seems.
Not only between Chris and Vin, but between Chris and the rest of the group. Everyone defers to him. However, back to Chris and Vin *g*, Vin doesn't appear to be the type of person who needs to be in control. He's pretty mellow and laid back. Chris, otoh, appears to need control, possibly because the important part of his past (the death of his wife and child), were out of his control. Yet, Chris doesn't demand obedience, or doesn't appear to demand obedience. The only times I recall him taking a stand were with JD, telling him he couldn't accompany them, and with Ezra, telling him not to run out on him again. It could be that Chris' reputation as a gunman preceded him, and everyone deferred to him because of his experience. Though Buck's reasons would be different, since they'd been friends, and Vin's reasons are different, because he and Chris are gonna be more than friends. *g* Plus, with the two of them, and the instant connection, Vin clearly trusts Chris right from the beginning when he risks his job on helping Chris, then agrees to help him against odds, then tells him about the bounty.... This would make a great essay question! *g*
~I *adore* him making plans to go with Vin to clear his name.
Eeeeeh! Me, too! From what we've learned of both men they are clearly loners, yet they hooked up from the first moment they laid eyes on each other. Truly a duet. *g*
~The level of trust is just *staggering*.
Sometimes I have nothing to add; I can only say yes! *g*
~Hell, just Chris claiming Vin!! Eeeeee! And that in that scene Vin was assuming that he and Chris were a unit, an "us". But Buck, Chris's friend for ages, wasn't. Love that too!
And Vin is just so...sure of himself. Of his place. I love his body language. And I love how Buck knew that Chris and Vin were *coff* together. *bg*
Re: Part 2sara_merry99February 26 2007, 16:46:04 UTC
See, I don't see that as backward at all. I don't just slash two guys 'cause they're pretty, I need to see the chemistry (no matter how minute, lol), before I can slash them.
Well, I've seen a few things around LJ lately where people have been all anti-OTP (::snivel::) because a good writer can sell any pairing and it's not good to be closed-minded and etc. And that's true. But I am very OTPish in all of my fandoms (I just haven't settled on my OTP in due South because I haven't seen much of Kowalski yet) because I need to be able to see the guys in love with each other. Or I just can't slash them.
Dear friends of mine write CSI slash of a variety of pairings, and even when I can enjoy the stories some part of me feels like they're just making shit up. (And no, other stories don't seem like that even though it's all fiction. The highways and byways of my mind are dark and twisty places.)
Chris, otoh, appears to need control, possibly because the important part of his past (the death of his wife and child), were out of his control.
That's a real possibility. Without *demanding* obedience, I think Chris is also just a natural leader. In any group of people, someone has to give directions and have a plan or folks just wander. Someone just has to step up and say "Let's get going in this direction". As soon as someone does, folks'll follow.
I imagine Chris would say that he just wanted to be left alone--but someone needed to get the herd moving and he has the right personality to do it. None of the other seem to have the personality for it, or the charisma. (I mean, who'd follow JD if he stepped up to be the leader?)
Vin clearly trusts Chris right from the beginning when he risks his job on helping Chris, then agrees to help him against odds, then tells him about the bounty....
::squeals::!!
And Vin is just so...sure of himself. Of his place. I love his body language. And I love how Buck knew that Chris and Vin were *coff* together. *bg*
You're *so* right. I hadn't thought about how sure of himself Vin is there with Chris. Like he knows that he belongs there. ::hugs you then swoons:: So nice!!
~I've seen a few things around LJ lately where people have been all anti-OTP (::snivel::) because a good writer can sell any pairing and it's not good to be closed-minded and etc.
*rolls eyes* It's been my experience that most people throw out the OTP argument when their favorite pairing isn't getting the same attention as another pairing. /snotty
Now to make a more legitimate argument. *g* While it might be true that a good writer can sell any pairing, what makes them think I (or any other writer) want to write another pairing? Grrr.
As with you, I'm an OTP'er. I fall in love with a pairing, not the idea of slash itself, or the idea of slashing one character with everyone.
~I agree that Chris is a natural leader, even if it's not something he'd choose for himself, being responsible for these six men, not to mention an entire village/town.
~I love the idea that Vin is so sure of himself, and sure of Chris, already.
Hey, you know what I just thought of, have you announced this at any of the Mag7 comms?
Re: Part 2sara_merry99February 27 2007, 01:27:55 UTC
*rolls eyes* It's been my experience that most people throw out the OTP argument when their favorite pairing isn't getting the same attention as another pairing.
Maybe, maybe. It left me feeling a little wibbly and inadequate because I am such an OTPer. Though there was also a post to this effect in...erm...Oh...the new due South meta comm that I don't remember the name of. And really, unless someone's into F/V or Kowalski/Turnbull or something there's no way to claim that their OTP isn't getting enough play.
I fall in love with a pairing, not the idea of slash itself, or the idea of slashing one character with everyone.
That's exactly how I am! I love the characters and their interactions and I want to explore and study that. Not just random folks I don't recognize.
~I love the idea that Vin is so sure of himself, and sure of Chris, already.
I love the idea too--though it's not what's in most fanfiction (at least not in ATF). But I love the idea that they're basically rock-solid from the start. ::hugs::
Hey, you know what I just thought of, have you announced this at any of the Mag7 comms?
Yeah, I posted it at mag7fans. I'm not a member of any of the others.
Link for piccies in new Mag7 notessara_merry99February 28 2007, 14:03:47 UTC
Hey!!
For some reason I'm not inclined to put the link direct to the screencap gallery on the main post, so I'm sort of hiding it back here in last episode's comments.
Anyway, Go here for the screencaps. The ones for this episode (since I have one big gallery for all Mag7 screencaps) start in about the middle of the page, with Buck. :D Enjoy!
~Which is interesting, because Chris followed Vin's lead into helping the Seminole, but after that he was *clearly* the leader of the whole group. So there's some sort of interesting relationship dynamics going on there, it seems.
Not only between Chris and Vin, but between Chris and the rest of the group. Everyone defers to him. However, back to Chris and Vin *g*, Vin doesn't appear to be the type of person who needs to be in control. He's pretty mellow and laid back. Chris, otoh, appears to need control, possibly because the important part of his past (the death of his wife and child), were out of his control. Yet, Chris doesn't demand obedience, or doesn't appear to demand obedience. The only times I recall him taking a stand were with JD, telling him he couldn't accompany them, and with Ezra, telling him not to run out on him again. It could be that Chris' reputation as a gunman preceded him, and everyone deferred to him because of his experience. Though Buck's reasons would be different, since they'd been friends, and Vin's reasons are different, because he and Chris are gonna be more than friends. *g* Plus, with the two of them, and the instant connection, Vin clearly trusts Chris right from the beginning when he risks his job on helping Chris, then agrees to help him against odds, then tells him about the bounty.... This would make a great essay question! *g*
~I *adore* him making plans to go with Vin to clear his name.
Eeeeeh! Me, too! From what we've learned of both men they are clearly loners, yet they hooked up from the first moment they laid eyes on each other. Truly a duet. *g*
~The level of trust is just *staggering*.
Sometimes I have nothing to add; I can only say yes! *g*
~Hell, just Chris claiming Vin!! Eeeeee! And that in that scene Vin was assuming that he and Chris were a unit, an "us". But Buck, Chris's friend for ages, wasn't. Love that too!
And Vin is just so...sure of himself. Of his place. I love his body language. And I love how Buck knew that Chris and Vin were *coff* together. *bg*
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Well, I've seen a few things around LJ lately where people have been all anti-OTP (::snivel::) because a good writer can sell any pairing and it's not good to be closed-minded and etc. And that's true. But I am very OTPish in all of my fandoms (I just haven't settled on my OTP in due South because I haven't seen much of Kowalski yet) because I need to be able to see the guys in love with each other. Or I just can't slash them.
Dear friends of mine write CSI slash of a variety of pairings, and even when I can enjoy the stories some part of me feels like they're just making shit up. (And no, other stories don't seem like that even though it's all fiction. The highways and byways of my mind are dark and twisty places.)
Chris, otoh, appears to need control, possibly because the important part of his past (the death of his wife and child), were out of his control.
That's a real possibility. Without *demanding* obedience, I think Chris is also just a natural leader. In any group of people, someone has to give directions and have a plan or folks just wander. Someone just has to step up and say "Let's get going in this direction". As soon as someone does, folks'll follow.
I imagine Chris would say that he just wanted to be left alone--but someone needed to get the herd moving and he has the right personality to do it. None of the other seem to have the personality for it, or the charisma. (I mean, who'd follow JD if he stepped up to be the leader?)
Vin clearly trusts Chris right from the beginning when he risks his job on helping Chris, then agrees to help him against odds, then tells him about the bounty....
::squeals::!!
And Vin is just so...sure of himself. Of his place. I love his body language. And I love how Buck knew that Chris and Vin were *coff* together. *bg*
You're *so* right. I hadn't thought about how sure of himself Vin is there with Chris. Like he knows that he belongs there. ::hugs you then swoons:: So nice!!
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*rolls eyes* It's been my experience that most people throw out the OTP argument when their favorite pairing isn't getting the same attention as another pairing. /snotty
Now to make a more legitimate argument. *g* While it might be true that a good writer can sell any pairing, what makes them think I (or any other writer) want to write another pairing? Grrr.
As with you, I'm an OTP'er. I fall in love with a pairing, not the idea of slash itself, or the idea of slashing one character with everyone.
~I agree that Chris is a natural leader, even if it's not something he'd choose for himself, being responsible for these six men, not to mention an entire village/town.
~I love the idea that Vin is so sure of himself, and sure of Chris, already.
Hey, you know what I just thought of, have you announced this at any of the Mag7 comms?
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Maybe, maybe. It left me feeling a little wibbly and inadequate because I am such an OTPer. Though there was also a post to this effect in...erm...Oh...the new due South meta comm that I don't remember the name of. And really, unless someone's into F/V or Kowalski/Turnbull or something there's no way to claim that their OTP isn't getting enough play.
I fall in love with a pairing, not the idea of slash itself, or the idea of slashing one character with everyone.
That's exactly how I am! I love the characters and their interactions and I want to explore and study that. Not just random folks I don't recognize.
~I love the idea that Vin is so sure of himself, and sure of Chris, already.
I love the idea too--though it's not what's in most fanfiction (at least not in ATF). But I love the idea that they're basically rock-solid from the start. ::hugs::
Hey, you know what I just thought of, have you announced this at any of the Mag7 comms?
Yeah, I posted it at mag7fans. I'm not a member of any of the others.
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For some reason I'm not inclined to put the link direct to the screencap gallery on the main post, so I'm sort of hiding it back here in last episode's comments.
Anyway, Go here for the screencaps. The ones for this episode (since I have one big gallery for all Mag7 screencaps) start in about the middle of the page, with Buck. :D Enjoy!
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