Dear 30 Rock...

Dec 15, 2010 00:18


Dear 30 Rock,

First of all, I would like to thoroughly congratulate you on being renewed for a 6th season. None of us, and by us I include you too, thought that you would make it this far. Though what makes that statement funny is the serious absurdity of it. Of course you would make it this far, because from the get-go you were an absolutely ( Read more... )

the decline of 30 rock

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Totally agree ravenclawlaura December 25 2010, 16:41:05 UTC
I love 30 Rock, because it is one of the only remaining intelligent television shows. I watch only 30 Rock and West Wing. However, I miss season one and two. In S1 and S2, Liz was made fun of, but not to the extent to which she became a ridiculous caricature of her old self. Not only did they completely desexualize Liz (making fun of her eating habits, dressing habits, and sexual history) to make her completely unrelatable, but they also insulted her intelligence in S4. I'm sick of the romance plots that eclipsed the S4 finale.

I'm okay with not having Jack/Liz as a couple. It was a nice idea while it lasted. However, I'm not okay with Liz Lemon becoming so exaggerated that it's absurd. I miss the endearing character who was smart, reserved, sarcastic, and witty. I saw myself in Liz in S1 and S2 (even a bit in S3) but I would never, ever want to be like S4 Liz.

S5 is much better, though. I can't remember the episode title, but it made fun of the Tea Party, and it was fantastic. The Christmas Ep was great because it had a hint of old Jack and Liz tendencies. Fingers crossed for the old 30 Rock to come back.

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Re: Totally agree samuraichikx December 29 2010, 05:57:19 UTC
I keep saying that to anyone who has either never seen it or refuses to watch it because they have some mysterious loyalty to stupid f-ing reality shows.

I absolutely loved Liz, for reasons I cannot explain. Maybe it was my obsession with Tina Fey or the fact that she was incredibly relatable to begin with, but I just fell in love with her character. Jack took only a few episodes but I ended up falling in love with them anyway.

I actually didn't even begin to notice the change in Liz's character until I sat down and watched the first season with a friend I'm trying to convert. I literally had to remind myself that I was watching 30 Rock, it was so vastly different. I mean, that's okay, because that's what usually happens when you go back and watch the first few seasons, but what blew my mind was how superior they were, how I still found them funny after the 20th time I'd viewed them, but the newer episodes kind of get old.

My sister got me the entire 4th season on an external hard drive for christmas, and we watched it a couple days ago because she was sick, and I explained to her my qualm with their butchering of Liz's character, and even she agreed with me "She's gotten weaker".

I'm pretty much resigned to the fact that they're never going to get together, as much as that pains me. Sometimes I watch episodes and I get frustrated how oblivious the characters are or absurd the writing is or...I don't know. Maybe I need to lay off fanfiction for awhile, perhaps its skewing my enjoyment of the show. I liked Avery in the beginning, but she began to get annoying either out of my complete stubbornness or because the actress was not really selling the character. The romance plots in season 4 began to get ridiculous, I didn't even realize how pissed I was at Jack for the second half of season 4. It was just...painful to watch.

Season 5 is a big improvement for the show, but I still find it inferior to the first three seasons. Maybe it's because the difference is, in the first three seasons we're exploring the characters, and season 4 is where they decided to make the move, but...I don't know.

I believe the episode you're referring to is Brooklyn Without Limits =). The christmas episode was great because it was wacky, funny, and we still got a bit of the old Liz, but I didn't find it as satisfying as the season 3 christmas special, one that had me looking all over the internet for an mp3 of "The Christmas Song" sun by Alec and Elaine Stritch. 'O Holy Night' is catchy, but it's just not the same.

Wow, this comment is almost as long as my original post xD. I apologize for sending you such a fat comment, but there really is just so much to discuss about this show....Damn, I should stop.
Carry on =)

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Re: Totally agree ravenclawlaura December 29 2010, 19:32:39 UTC
No, no, your long comment is fantastic! I'm a pretty recent 30 Rock convert and I'm glad I stumbled upon your blog. Why are you resigned to the fact that Jack and Liz will never get together? I mean, I know Avery is pregnant, but this is a comedy show... Thanks for responding to my comment!

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Re: Totally agree samuraichikx December 30 2010, 07:59:18 UTC
Oh! Well then! Let me be the first to officially welcome you to the community =). I can't personally vouch for everyone here, I've only had a livejournal for about a year, but I love this group. Jack/Liz writers are few and far between, but we're dedicated.

I'm also glad that you're glad you've stumbled upon my blog =D. It gives me a reason to continue writing.

Well, it's complicated. I guess even though I say that I'm stubborn enough to continue shipping them no matter what happens, and I'll probably continue writing them, but I just don't see it happening. Tina Fey has said it a million times. And to be perfectly honest, if I was in her position, I would probably have done the same thing. Especially considering that she based the Jack character off of Lorne Michaels, and I would be a little uncomfortable if I ever had to write an intimate moment about a persona of me and my mentor.

Avery being pregnant isn't really what solidified it for me. It's just the way that the writers have approached the subject. Through most of season 4 they seemed to be teasing the thought, and even went out of there way to stop it from being considered a sensible option. (example? The Moms episode, Colleen I suspect had the perfect opportunity to tell Jack that he should go for Liz, and I would be lying if I said I hadn't held my breath during that scene, only to frown moments later).

Then, looking at the audience's perception of it, it seems most of the general audience isn't that keen on the idea either. There are a few in this community, and I'm sure there are others out there, but it seems to be a really small demographic.

I've been told by dozens of my friends that "of course they're not together, if they did that the show would be over, they're waiting for the end of the show". I guess I'm still hoping-against-hope that the kid really isn't Jack's, or that it ends up like every single one of his marriage proposals and ends in disaster, but with this show, you really never know what to expect. It's what makes the jokes so fresh and awesome, but with something like this it's kind of painful.

I could also still hope that they're holding out for the end, but I'm running out of energy, and the thought of 30 rock ending is sort of melancholy =/

Wow! Another long post! Wasn't kidding when I said it was complicated xD. Sorry to be pessimistic.

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Re: Totally agree ravenclawlaura December 30 2010, 14:36:54 UTC
Thanks for the thoughtful reply. I had no idea Lorne Michaels inspired Jack. Eh, it kind of makes sense now that Tina Fey would not write Jack/Liz into the plot... I hope that later this season you'll write an updated review of season five!

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