Some thoughts on the Alien trilogy

Sep 30, 2015 17:26

If you were to make a list of, say, the ten most influential science fiction films and then another of the ten most influential horror films, there would be a very strong case for Ridley Scott's Alien (1979) to be included on both. Not only an instant classic, the film also launched one of the most important and enduring multimedia franchises we ( Read more... )

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carminalizarin October 1 2015, 05:23:58 UTC
Oh, yes, I just like drawing attention to Cartwright since I was always impressed with her in the film. Everyone in that movie is good, though. I recall reading something about how Scott + the cast and crew all approached it as a "serious" film, and it shows.

Speaking of which, Resurrection is indeed bad, but your inner 15-year-old may enjoy it. Much of the film seems to be devoted to finding new ways to destroy the human head, which is often a worthy cinematic endeavor.

I pretty much agree with what that article says, i.e. that a lot of Fincher's list is obvious but nevertheless solid, and that several films on it bear almost no relation to his own style, but that's okay. Ha, Mad Max 2 / The Road Warrior seems to be one of the few films in history to receive almost universal praise both at the time of its release, and ever since, despite being basically an exploitation flick. (It was another "canonical favorite movie" of my family, actually, and I'd say it's another example of a genre film that perfectly accomplishes what it sets out to do.)

Yes, as with the recent Hobbit films, one gets the sense that with Prometheus, they secretly outsourced the script to Internet fan-forums and decided most of the characterization and plot-points on the basis of an online poll (or something). Kubrick's films were generally DICTATORSHIPS, and this explains a lot of why they tend to be so damn good. (I know some people dislike the slow pace and extreme cerebral detachment of them, but I feel that these factors contribute a lot to the hypnotic atmosphere and archetypal quality that he usually seems to achieve.)

Uhh, anyway, yes, it will be interesting to see dueling movies from the same technical franchise. Sort of like the Battle of Gorgoroth [the band] or something.

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saithkar October 1 2015, 05:41:53 UTC
I would have thought David Cronenberg's Scanners was the final word on destroying the human head (and the internet's favourite gif), but I think I will give it a re-watch.

Your family seems to have pretty good taste in films by the way. My definition of what constitutes a B movie/exploitation flick is one that knows what its audience wants and just gives it to them without the bullshit. If it's an action film, non-stop action, if it's horror, tons of gore and jump scares, sexy flick - tons of nudity etc. This is not a criticism, I respect the honesty and desire to please the audience who often times don't care for the backstory and "universe building" and just want to cut to the entertainment. Therefore you could call something like Mad Max Fury Road the world's most expensive B movie and mean that as a compliment.

As for the Hobbit films, I actually think it goes the other way. Fans wanted a straight translation of the books, not more of Peter Jackson's bullshit (a subject we have covered before). For example this: http://kotaku.com/now-theres-a-three-hour-cut-of-the-hobbit-trilogy-1681224543 Likewise, Interestingly, like Kubrick, Fincher also has a reputation for being somewhat of a dictator on set, but that probably explains his films' quality. I just re-watched Seven the other day too and while you can't capture the thrill of seeing it the first time and not knowing what happened, his camerawork, staging and overall direction is peerless.

As for the duelling movies, it could be decent, or it could be like the tag line for Aliens vs Predator from 2004: "Whoever wins, we lose".

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saithkar October 2 2015, 03:15:51 UTC
So I took your advice and re-watched Alien Resurrection last night. It was interesting as it proved that Joss Whedon didn't start producing lame scripts full of cliches and failed attempts at humour with The Avengers, he was at it in the late 90s too (incidentally in interviews Whedon has defended his script saying everything else was done wrong, but I'm not letting him off the hook). The plot was a lazy and full of holes and mistakes - if they got Ripley's blood from Fury 161, why did they wait 200 years? Also they called the planet Fury 16, meaning someone was too lazy to check the previous film. Also the ship was outside regulated space, yet only a few hours from Earth? I call bullshit on so much of this. I'd say Winona Ryder stole the show (credit to Mike Scully for that joke) but she was actually wooden and dull), while the rest of the cast over-acted, especially a bizarre, scenery-chewing performance from the usually excellent Sigourney Weaver, and holy fuck they didn't need much makeup to turn Ron Perlman into Hellboy, he's one weird looking dude.

Other than that the music was, for the first time in the franchise, totally forgettable, except for one cue they stole from the first movie. The sets were uniformly dull and uninteresting, and that's quite something when you consider the previous film was all set in a prison and looked stunning. Just shows the difference between a great director and a journeyman. The space shots and model work was inferior to the first film which seems strange considering the advancements in FX. What I will praise is the creature effects which were impressive and genuinely disgusting. The problem with this however is that it only made the crappy CGI look even worse, and this is inexcusable because this was four years after Jurassic Park which still holds up.

A couple of closing thoughts. It's interesting that the first four Alien films were guided by fairly new people who quickly became huge names in the entrainment industry. Ridley Scott only had one art house film to his name but after Alien went on to direct Blade Runner and so many other great and not so great films. The Terminator was a hit in the US but hadn't really made it abroad, yet Aliens made James Cameron's career. David Fincher as we all know recovered from Alien 3 to become a critical darling and even old Joss Whedon went on to make lots of money. On the other side of the equation, Roger Christian who was the art director on Alien went on to direct Battlefield Earth, widely considered one of the worst films ever made, and Pitof, who was the second unit director on Alien Resurrection a few years later gave the world Catwoman, also one of the worst films ever to be shat out.

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carminalizarin October 2 2015, 06:16:08 UTC
It's been awhile since I saw it, I just remember it being one of those movies that went over fairly well at sleepovers when I was a teenager.

Is this the first time you've seen Ron Perlman outside of Hellboy? Fuck, that means you've never seen The Name of the Rose (I think).

I actually forgot that Joss Whedon was involved with the film since he wasn't a household name at the time. And ha, too bad about Christian and Pitof, I guess.

I'm actually going to watch the whole series (including Prometheus) again now, I think...

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saithkar October 2 2015, 06:24:56 UTC
I've not seen In the Name of the Rose but ironically I have the book at home and will read it soon. Other Perlman films I have gotten around to are Star Trek: Nemisis, Blade 2, the Hellboy sequel, the totally rubbish Conan remake and the absolutely brilliant Drive, but I was watching the original Hellboy just a few weeks ago so it was probably on my mind.

Good marathon, but I see you are leaving out the Predator crossovers...

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carminalizarin October 2 2015, 06:33:07 UTC
I have the book also and keep meaning to read it. Supposedly it's rather pedantic (as Umberto Eco is a medieval scholar and is fond of showing his work), but good. The movie dumbs down the book a bit, but is still quite excellent, really. Perlman plays a deformed monk in it. (And mkay, yeah, I would have thought you'd have seen him around somewhere. He tends to be in every Guillermo Del Toro movie, for example.)

I haven't seen the AVP movies and probably won't bother, unless someone can make a convincing case for them.

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saithkar October 2 2015, 06:35:53 UTC
I've actually read a lot of alternative medical history like The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail so according to my mum I should get everything that's in it (the book is a favourite of hers).

Fuck AvP, but I assume you've seen Drive?

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carminalizarin October 2 2015, 06:40:25 UTC
I have not.

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saithkar October 2 2015, 06:43:46 UTC
You really must, it's up there with Ex Machina, the latest Mad Max and others as one of the greatest films of the past 5 years or so, instant classic.

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carminalizarin October 2 2015, 15:57:07 UTC
Will put it on my queue. Ex Machina and Fury Road are both definitely on it, as well.

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