1984 was about what would happen if liberals and/or socialists were in control. Orwell uses liberalism/socialism to the extreme to make his points.
V for Vendetta is based on the characters from vertigo... Which is about a totalitarian government. V uses conservatism and the idea of a republic to an extreme to make an argument.
I think it would do Orwell an injustice to compare his stance with the stance of Alan Moore, as the two have completely opposite points of view on the matter.
1984 was about totalitarianism not liberalism or socialism (orwell was a self proclaimed socialist). the characters of napoleon and snowball are stalin and trotsky (hence the exile).
it was definately not a bout totalitarianism.. the whole idea of censoring everything to make everyone equal is a liberal/socialist idea. George Orwell was not a socialist! The whole government in Ociane was described as Ingsoc which is newspeak for English Socialism. Check wikipedia George Orwell and Ray Bradbury both despised socialism and liberalism.... that's what most of their stories are about.
Besides more on Point, V for Vendetta not only has no parallells to today's governmanet, but doesn't porport to, alan moore refuses to have his name put in the credits, partially because of the W brotheres adding references to current events when the story takes place in the late 90's... not 2020
Although, he did support socialism in its pure form, he acknowledges that neither socialism or communism will be able to work in real life. Hence the modiefier at the end of the quote... "as I understand it."
I agree that the religious right does support censorship, but so does the ACLU. Don't accuse me of misinformation when you believe that liberals and the ACLU are concerned with preserving the rights of the people. If you have followed the political realm at all in the past ten years you'd scoff at those words.
It is the liberals who are so concerned with "equality" that we end up with censorship.
Besides, we were talking about the movie, which is loosely based and the old Vertigo characters... Alan Moore didn't put his name on the movie partly because of the subtle references to today's events. (i.e. Iraq, and the bird flu)
Socialism is an ideal. The practical implimentation is something that is still up for debate. That said he still supported the underlying beliefs and that's fairly evident in his writing, though apparently not to you
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Don't throw out the aclu's name assuming no one knows about them silly. I fundraised for the American Civil Liberties Union and they are NOT for censorship the way your saying they are...they even defend nambla to say what they want to. Thier policy is "We dont have to agree with what your saying, but we will defend your right to say it". =P
phrases like "the librals" remind me that you like geroge bush don't you? Hes censoring our country with the extra add on's to the 6,000 page patriot act...thats the real threat to our civil liberties....your censoring my lj post here too so your a super hypocryate.
Tom if i tell you that you don't know what your talking about, then i would hope that you would reflect on that because i meen it in the kindest possible way.
V for Vendetta is based on the characters from vertigo... Which is about a totalitarian government. V uses conservatism and the idea of a republic to an extreme to make an argument.
I think it would do Orwell an injustice to compare his stance with the stance of Alan Moore, as the two have completely opposite points of view on the matter.
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Besides more on Point, V for Vendetta not only has no parallells to today's governmanet, but doesn't porport to, alan moore refuses to have his name put in the credits, partially because of the W brotheres adding references to current events when the story takes place in the late 90's... not 2020
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I agree that the religious right does support censorship, but so does the ACLU. Don't accuse me of misinformation when you believe that liberals and the ACLU are concerned with preserving the rights of the people. If you have followed the political realm at all in the past ten years you'd scoff at those words.
see bradbury's Coda
It is the liberals who are so concerned with "equality" that we end up with censorship.
Besides, we were talking about the movie, which is loosely based and the old Vertigo characters... Alan Moore didn't put his name on the movie partly because of the subtle references to today's events. (i.e. Iraq, and the bird flu)
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I fundraised for the American Civil Liberties Union and they are NOT for censorship the way your saying they are...they even defend nambla to say what they want to. Thier policy is "We dont have to agree with what your saying, but we will defend your right to say it".
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phrases like "the librals" remind me that you like geroge bush don't you? Hes censoring our country with the extra add on's to the 6,000 page patriot act...thats the real threat to our civil liberties....your censoring my lj post here too so your a super hypocryate.
Tom if i tell you that you don't know what your talking about, then i would hope that you would reflect on that because i meen it in the kindest possible way.
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